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Kilmacud's Paul Mannion with Glen's Conor Glass and Ryan Dougan. Laszlo Geczo/INPHO

All-Ireland club final mess grows as Glen-Kilmacud saga looks set to rumble on

Both sets of players and their clubs have found themselves in a sticky spot.

LAST UPDATE | 25 Jan 2023

IT APPEARED TO be a week in the GAA calendar which marked a changing of the guard.

The club season reaching a close last Sunday with the senior showpieces in Croke Park and the focus shifting to the big throw-in for the inter-county game, the serious business of the Allianz Leagues commencing this weekend.

It would be natural for the outcomes of the club finals to linger for a while in the GAA conversation. The themes of recovery from Ballyhale Shamrocks and Kilmacud Crokes, in winning less than a year after suffering crushing disappointment in the corresponding 2022 fixtures, was certainly noteworthy.

But while the enduring brilliance of Ballyhale is acknowledged, the football fallout has overshadowed Sundayโ€™s fare and deflected the spotlight away from the inter-county fixtures programme.

With the final whistle of the senior football decider, Rory Gallagher, Dessie Farrell and indeed Pรกdraic Joyce would have been entitled to start thinking of a timeline for bringing those club stars back into the county fold. Rest would be needed after the exertions of chasing the Andy Merrigan Cup, yet this is a week generally to sound players out on their possible return to inter-county panels.

When exactly Conor Glass, Paul Mannion and Shane Walsh and others will officially have their club duties wrapped up is now up for debate.

Kilmacud Crokes won Sundayโ€™s game by 1-11 to 1-9 but uncertainty has only intensified since with doubt cast on the outcome by the extra players they had on the pitch for that brief spell in injury time. The news that filtered through last night of Glenโ€™s official objection to the result simply hardens the position. When a resolution will appear is unclear. This is a saga that looks set to rumble on.

The GAAโ€™s CCCC are believed to be meeting today to review the matter in the wake of Glenโ€™s objection. If they find the rule has been broken, there are three possible penalties โ€“ a fine, a replay or the forfeiture of the game.

The first may seem too lenient and the third too severe. Does that leave the second as the choice that will sit best with parties? Thatโ€™s not guaranteed. It has been suggested that it is not clearcut Kilmacud Crokes would agree to a replay if ordered to do so. There is likely a sense of grievance amongst them that a hard-earned All-Ireland title has been diminished to an extent by this controversy and the confusion over whether the success will stand.

There is also the matter of when would a replay take place? Given Crokes have three days to lodge a counter objection to any decision, a second instalment of the rivalry will not take place this weekend and the appeals process could well rule out next weekend, 4-5 February, as well.

The next game pencilled in for Croke Park is a Dublin league double-header on Saturday 25 February. Would provincial venues come into play for a replay and how would that fit in with the stadium requirements for counties for league games already planned?

And can, or will, all the playing stakeholders stick around if the process is prolonged before a final decision is reached? It is likely that personal plans in the lives of the players have been put on hold while committing to what was necessary to pursue this All-Ireland club dream. Hurling champions Ballyhale Shamrocks have been open on how travel plans will now be the priority for a chunk of their squad. In a world that has now opened up again in the wake of Covid-19, it may well be a factor here as well.

Both sets of players, and those officials connected with their setups, have found themselves in a sticky spot.

For Kilmacud the sheer joy was clear at landing the Andy Merrigan Cup, particularly in light of the painful manner in which it slipped out of their grasp the previous year. Their celebrations were understandable in the wake of winning the game but they must have been gradually tempered by the ongoing speculation over a possible appeal. Now that the official objection has been launched, how do they get into the right headspace to get themselves right if a replay is ordered?

It is a strange situation to embrace and amidst their own dejection at their defeat, the Glen players had to wrestle with a dilemma. The lack of a concrete plan of action from the GAA at national level was clearly an irritant. The GAA kicked the ball into their court in terms of decision-making. โ€œThis is extremely disappointing for our club to be placed in this position,โ€ was the Glen verdict in Monday nightโ€™s statement.

The pressure placed on Glen to be the ones to kickstart the review process must have jarred with those in the club. There may be an element of discomfort at the prospect that some will see an appeal as them refusing to accept their defeat.

Malachy Oโ€™Rourke, admittedly speaking in a personal capacity and just moments after the final whistle when the full implications of the injury-time drama may not have been fully absorbed, was measured in his summary.

โ€œWe had our chances, we gave it our best shot. Look it, that shouldnโ€™t happen. I canโ€™t speak for the club but I just think weโ€™ll accept we got beat on the day.โ€

But there is certainly a legitimacy to the frustration that Glen must feel. A basic rule of the game was not adhered to, no matter for how brief a passage of play. There is no guarantee they will get the chance to make amends in future All-Ireland finals. It is a long club road to travel through county and province before reaching the final two in the national arena. Former Derry player Damian Cassidy described it as โ€˜a once-in-a-lifetimeโ€™ opportunity on Newstalk, his views chiming with those who believe every chance to get a shot at winning an All-Ireland must be explored.

From whatever angle it is viewed, this is an almighty mess for Kilmacud Crokes, Glen and the GAA to deal with.

The only thing that looks certain is fallout to last Sundayโ€™s final will drag on.

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    Mute Nollaig Elliot
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    Aug 24th 2017, 8:21 AM

    I think the GK is not fully confident and that can have a huge affect on the defenders. The young lad at RB last night looks a tidy player.

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    Mute Hardly Normal
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    Aug 24th 2017, 8:38 AM

    @Nollaig Elliot: heโ€™s going to be a great player I think, heโ€™s prone to being caught out too easy as well though. Still if they continue scoring more goals than the opposition we canโ€™t give out too much..

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    Aug 24th 2017, 9:16 AM

    @Nollaig Elliot: agree

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    Aug 24th 2017, 9:18 AM

    @Paul Mallon: agreed nollaigh. The keeper and lovren badly need to be replaced. No sign of a keeper coming but hopefully they get hoewdes at least, if not VVD. Great going forward though, the season will be an absolute rollercoaster

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    Aug 24th 2017, 10:55 AM

    @Paul Mallon: if LFC are taking any player from Southampton, it should be Fraser Forster. Dominates his six yard box, and bosses his defenders.

    Mignolet is a good shot stopper period, any crosses coming into the box are however an absolute lottery (as shown again last night the one time he came off his line to try lunch one clear).

    Defence absolutely starts from the Keeper out, in rugby terms defensively heโ€™s the number eight at the back of a scrum i.e. anchors the scrum so it doesnโ€™t get loose and can be disrupted by oppo, looks for any danger on oppo possession and smashes it, launches quick attack when his team wins possesion.

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    Mute j lad
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    Aug 24th 2017, 12:28 PM

    @Nollaig Elliot: true but you get the impression Klopp will be too stubborn to go beyond Mignolet and Karius

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    Mute Nollaig Elliot
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    Aug 24th 2017, 12:41 PM

    @j lad: Not sure if its stubborness. I reckon the CL playoff had a lot to do with it also. Players could be holding out to see if they qualified. With VVD his hands were tied. The player wanted the move but Southampton werenโ€™t budging. Like Ronan said above, Forester should be the main target.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 9:58 AM

    Get Howedes and Van DIJK

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    Aug 24th 2017, 12:26 PM

    @Ollie Watson: Howedes not the answer.not reliable and if he was good enough heโ€™d have got his big move before 29 years old

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    Aug 24th 2017, 12:42 PM

    @j lad: you donโ€™t know what you are talking about. Hรถwedes is a class act on and off the pitch, a World Cup winner who played every minute of every game. An outstanding leader and role model who turned down the big bucks of Bayern and Arsenal a couple of years ago to stay with his home town club so as he could โ€œgive something backโ€. Heโ€™d be a great signing for Liverpool and Kloop knows him well.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 4:01 PM

    @Bob Cummings: Howedes canโ€™t make Schalke team.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 4:48 PM

    @John Buckley: only fit after a a few months out with injury. It seems the new coach will invest in youth, Goretzka to go as well.

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    Mute David Lawlor
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    Aug 24th 2017, 10:31 AM

    Iโ€™m struggling to understand Klopps logic. Played Milner at LB all last season, drops 10m on Robertson to put him on the bench in favor of the guy who is clearly a liability! TAA is a decent rb and will do well but watching the keystone cops on his left canโ€™t be inspiring for him. The right seems ok but the left is clearly a problem. Need a center half in and Robertson to get a run of games. Once Coutinho and Lalanna come back midfield will be sorted and the top 3 look awesomeโ€ฆ.

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    Mute raymond flynn
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    Aug 24th 2017, 9:22 AM

    At this stage Klavan is a better option than Lovern. Klopp canโ€™t start Lovern against Arsenal.

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    Mute Michael Coghlan
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    Aug 24th 2017, 9:25 AM

    @raymond flynn: klavan has always been the better option but the fact we didnt pay 20m for him meant he gets little enough fair play , 1 poor game and he is benched again whereas lovern gets chance after chance

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    Aug 24th 2017, 10:15 AM

    @Michael Coghlan: Klavan is the worst of them. Brian Kerr said that when he managed the Faroe Islands, they targeted Klavan as he was so bad. Gomez is a centre half or Conor Masterson โ€“ may be 18 but Klopp is constantly singing his praises.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 11:55 AM
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    Mute John Buckley
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    Aug 24th 2017, 4:08 PM

    @Dan: heard Kerr say it on RTE, didnโ€™t realise he said it on Today fm as well. I have good time for Kerr so disappointing to see him get it so wrong, very funny though. Klavan still a terrible centre half.

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    Mute Michael Coghlan
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    Aug 24th 2017, 4:13 PM

    @John Buckley: fair enough , I never said Kagan was great but he isnโ€™t as bad as Kerr made out and is definitely better than lovern

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    Mute j lad
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    Aug 24th 2017, 9:20 AM

    Klopp said something after the match last night that gave off the impression a few players were lined up to join pending qualification for the group stages.even though us fans prob hope for 5 in weโ€™ll prob end up with 1 or 2

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    Aug 24th 2017, 10:20 AM

    @j lad: id take 1 or 2 in a heartbeat at this stage of the window.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 11:43 AM

    @j lad: didnโ€™t give any impressions only that CL is important when trying to sign a player or extend a playerโ€™s contract or keep a player which I feel it was more directed at without mentioning Coutinho

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    Aug 24th 2017, 12:07 PM

    @The Chameleon: โ€˜Klopp reveals transfer boostโ€™

    http://www.skysports.com/share/11002599 i think he meanโ€™t potential signings aswell as a dig at players holding back on signing new contracts

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    Aug 24th 2017, 12:23 PM

    @Max Power: 1 or 2 only good enough if itโ€™s a combination of centre backs,keeper,holding midfielder

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    Aug 24th 2017, 2:21 PM

    @j lad: must be true if sky are saying it

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    Aug 24th 2017, 1:36 PM

    Lovren : cant tackle, cant head, cant mark, not physical, no pace, a wimp, and gets a 5year contract !

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    Aug 24th 2017, 2:22 PM

    @Mrs. Nugent: deadly isnโ€™t it !

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