DUBLIN BOSS JIM Gavin has rejected suggestions that defender Rory O’Carroll could have been in trouble after a photograph from last Sunday’s match with Kerry showed his hand coming close to the eye of Colm Cooper.
The Kerry squad have not launched an objection based on the incident and the CCCC are not set to pursue the issue.
But Gavin revealed he was aware of the incident and that he had consulted with O’Carroll on the matter.
“Yeah it was brought to my attention and I spoke to the player involved and he said it was just a tussle going for the ball. I spoke to a few players and that’s what they saw.”
Gavin believes photographs can sometimes be misleading.
“I think a single frame just takes one snapshot in time. You need to have a look at the totality of the film. I haven’t seen that but I don’t think Croke Park have made an issue of it.
“There’s a lot of photographs you wlould see and make you think what happened there’. But they are just snapshots of a particular time where people are taken off guard or are unusual circumstances.”
Gavin dismissed any suggestions that his team are cynical.
“I would be loathe to think anyone would say Dublin are cynical. I would take a step back if that was the case. We promote them to play good football.
“If there is any back chat to the referee we expect the referee to bring the ball up because I certainly wouldn’t tolerate it. They know that as well that they are getting a county jersey and with any county jersey comes a responsibility and a responsibility to the game itself.
“They only have the jersey for a certain part of their career. There’s a big tradition of Dublin teams that have gone before them, a big legacy that supports them.
“They have a duty of care to that so behaving themselves on the field of play is one of them.”
Eye gouging is not cynical he’s right; it’s pure thuggery
Show me evidence of an eye gouge based on more than just one action snap shot and I’ll condemn it also.
If you can’t, then you should shut up dragging a player’s name through the mud.
Whether you condemn it or not is your own concern.
If there was no picture, and it was just one player accusing the other, a picture if it existed would be deemed suitable evidence.
When we have a picture, some want more pictures.
More pictures, some would call for a video.
And when I say one player accusing another I am of course speaking hypothetically, as Gooch is unlikely to say anything.
Neither Gooch or O’Carroll have come out and denied it was eye gouging, and that speaks volumes.
Insults, the instruments of a beaten man
Oh Okay then…
“If there was no picture, and it was just one player accusing the other, a picture if it existed would be deemed suitable evidence.”
- No player has accused another of eye-gouging.
“When we have a picture, some want more pictures.”
- I direct thee to my below post re: rainbow belching.
“More pictures, some would call for a video.”
- We only have one picture.
” as Gooch is unlikely to say anything.”
- Why? Because his eye wasn’t deliberately gouged, maybe?
“Neither Gooch or O’Carroll have come out and denied it was eye gouging, and that speaks volumes.”
- So Colm Cooper hasn’t taken notice of a media/internet driven storm in a teacup and that means it was an eye-gouge? And because Rory O’Carroll has not engaged with the same media and internet superheroes that have fomented this poppycock furore that this means he’s a guilty-as-sin eye-gouger?Two zingers of non-sequiturs there.
Enough with the silliness now, buddy.
I was speaking hypothetically, which I stated, but you have misunderstood, perhaps at your convenience, but I’ll explain it again anyway.
If, and I say if (not to get confused) we had more pictures of the gouging, some people would still not be satisfied with such and call for video evidence as the one truth.
It comes down to the sufficiency of evidence, but some people are inclined to believe what they will regardless, and will dismiss evidence such as this much the way creationists dismiss science.
And, your reasoning for the quietness if the Kerry camp is quite ridiculous.
Can you read? Read my post again.I understood you perfectly. I answered your hypotheses with the facts of the matter.
It’s excellent that you yourself brought Creationists into the argument, those who will take the most fantastical legends as stone cold fact based on no actual evidence other than word and a desire to believe.
I’d love to hear a fleshed out version of your reason for the silence from the Kerry camp.
Again, Nivag, you don’t actually understand me.
You ask me to refer to your post, so I will.
I said, hypothetically, if there was more pictures then people would call for video evidence. Your dismissed this and said there was only one picture, and thus not understanding my point.
Your statement about creationists would seem to apply to you rather than me, you should perhaps look into that as it rather takes your legs from under you (not literally speaking).
To sum up you seem confused, and I feel like I’m giving free grinds lessons so I’ll leave it here.
*groan*
There are always those who will dismiss an argument even in the face of the most stringently acquired evidence e.g. Creationists.
There are also those who will construct elaborate fantasies based little or no evidence e.g. Creationists.
We do not have HD video evidence. We don’t have blurred video. We don’t have a series of images from many angles. We don’t have several photos taken sequentially. What do we have?
One photo.
You say O’Carroll should be banned on its basis. Don’t you think that there’s the slightest possibility that the photo could show something other than a deliberate act of eye-gouging from O’Carroll?
I never said O’Carroll should be banned, you made this up and assigned it to me.
Your creationist argument is a mystery to all but you. Science, similar to the photo, provides evidence that leads to the truth.
An elaborate fantasy based on little or no evidence? Gooch getting gouged an elaborate fantasy?
Why am I wasting my time talking to you (puzzled), well no more. You can reply with whatever garbage you want.
Answer the question: Don’t you think that there’s the slightest possibility that the photo could show something other than a deliberate act of eye-gouging from O’Carroll?
Is there even the slightest possibility that ants, at this very moment, are controlling both our thoughts and actions. Unlikely? I would think so. However, there is no way of ruling it out 100%. So it’s possible.
Such logic, which you use as your argument, is weak in the extreme.
That’s a “yes” then.
On the ants yes
And Jonny Coopers trip on Gooch wasn’t cynical?? If its was any other county there would have been uproar! Dirty Dubs as always
Cynical? He made an attempt for the ball, yes it was late but what was he meant to do? It probably should of been a second yellow but definitely not cynical.
He blatantly went for the ball. I agree with Neil, yes it probably was deserving of a yellow card and he was very lucky but no way was it cynical.
He went to kick the ball, only an idiot would think that trying to clear a ball off the ground is cynical! If he had connected with the ball before Cooper did you could say that Cooper was the cynic?? Reality is neither were, both just had eyes for the ball, stop being so precious! Even as a Cork man the Dub bashing is getting a bit tiring!
Tiresome Brian, tiresome.
Dublin are not cynical, but what Rory O carrol did was an absolute disgrace, there is a clear picture of him pinning down colm cooper, his other hand on his face with his finger poking right into gooch’s right eye…. And what are the CCCC doing? Absolutely nothing…. They’d only get off their lazy holes if was a Kerry player…. Tomas O Se got 6 weeks for a late shoulder against limerick and missed most of the championship a few years back, yet once again the disciplinary crowd turn a blind eye to anything that happens to Kerry….
Amazing amount of conspiracy theorists on here! There has to be video footage, usually from a couple of different angles to bring a case against someone… This is the same kind of nonsense people used to say about Kerry when Dara o’Se got off. Why would a board with no Dublin people on it be bias?? Lose that chip on your shoulder…
I’m not saying they are biased towards Dublin but they have never been to quick to act when it’s Kerry involved.
Yerra, yerra, Kerry are hard done by, blah blah. Poor old gooch yerrah.
As was pointed out already Dara got away with murder for years during his playing days. Great player but a cynical S.O.B when it suited. He wasn’t called dirty dara for nothing.
Careful, that glass house you’re standing in might come down around your ears at any moment..
Just because dara O se got away From a few doesn’t mean that Rory o carrol is allowed to… That’s just bad decision making by the disciplinary board
Not to mention Kennealy who shoulder charged Nicholas Murphy and tried to knock him unconscious in 2009 on throw in to rough us up! Kerry are in no position to talk about cynicism!
@Leo So, you think they should suspend someone based on one photo alone, with no other evidence whatsoever?? You’re a smart one. Have you ever considered a career in the legal world??
And how many photos does it take to prove he did it?? What are we saying so, his finger slipped into his eye the very moment that picture was taken?? You dot put your hands on someone’s face when you are tussling with them that I know, and it only takes a second or two to eye gouge someone… So yes it only takes one photo…. All that was needed for Paul galvin to be done for his fish hook was one photo, same applies here
No, it wasn’t. There was video footage from several angles of the Galvin incident. Great point though…
And why do we need several angles to prove something? Is one angle going to show something completely different to the next? It should be at least investigated at the very minimum… A picture is clear enough for me, as the saying goes, a picture speaks a thousand words… I find it very hard to believe that an incident like this could be made worse by a photo… What happened happened, and there’s photo evidence of it
Hey Leo, I’ve got a mate who can belch rainbows.
Here’s proof:
http://thevsky.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/10imagetrick20130502.jpg
Thank god what’s good enough for you, isn’t good enough for the Gaa.
Photos aren’t used as evidence in any sport. They dont show movement. And change the angle and a lot is different. I recall many videos that show a man being tripped when the different angle shows there was no contact.
If someone was gouging my eye, I certainly wouldn’t be leaving my arms flat on the ground which is the case here. I’d be grabbing the attackers hand/arm. It’s only a snapshot so unless there is a video to back up a lot of claims (none of from anyone worth listening to) there really is nothing to see here (pun intended)
Hey stop talking sense will you! ;)
Jaysus lads lets move on! I don’t like this whole “an eye for an eye” attitude….
I’d like to hear the Gooch’s opinion on this, everything else is hearsay, take a look at the photo, the Gooch’s arms are laying out on the sides, if an eye was gouged, the arms would be making a move to protect the eyes. If a gouge did happen, the gooch would be livid and would have made a fuss with the ref at the time or at least walked around for a minute or so rubbing his eyes. It’d be more sensible of sportsfile to release all the shots they took surrounding the incident, so we can view what really happened. As it stands, sportsfile are most likely making plenty of cash from the rights to the photo, so theyll stay silent. Kerry are no wimps, they hit as hard as they get.
Hear hear.
But the anti-dub brigade won’t let a trifling thing like reason get in the way of their kegfuls of bile.
im not anti dub but sure let me stick my finger into your eye………only for a split second and let’s see how’s you’d like it…….
if it happened, let the gooch complain, he didnt complain of it on the pitch anyway
Exactly!
I think a gauge in the eye tells every picture!
Alan, the Dublin and Kerry players socialised together in Dublin city on Sunday. Do you really think that if O’Carroll purposely gauged Coopers eye, that they’d all sit together afterwards enjoying a drink? I’m sure if Gooch felt it was cynical, he would’ve said so.
You don’t put you’re finger in someone’s eye while their lying on the ground and not mean it! Especially the way he was kneeling, anyway Mayo will hope he doesn’t get a ban because he’s Dublins Weak link
Alan, a photo can be very misleading. If you’d seen it in real time, cooper blocks his run, and the wrestle on the ground, O’Carroll pushes his face when getting back up (which he obviously shouldn’t do). A freeze frame doesn’t tell an accurate story at all…
O’Carroll, a weak link? Its extreme open football, leaving a major gap between the half forwards and the fullback line, O’Carroll has to work twice as hard in this system and has been solid for Dublin, if Mayo consider him a weak link, they may be in for a surprise
I would not call this Dublin team cynical at all. Ok i am sure there are one or two examples over the summer, but one or two examples do not make a team cynical foulers.
Anyone who has ever played a game of Gaelic Football will know it happens in every single game. some teams do it more than others.
Example:
You are playing corner back in an All Ireland final for your county. Last few minutes it is level and your man get the ball first and turns you. he is in for a certin goal. The natural instinct is to foul him(Damage limitation)
i would say 99% of footballers would do whatever necessary to win an All Ireland.
Any player not willing to be cynical in order to win an all Ireland should just hand his jersey back and stay at home. At that level It’s about winning, nothing else matters.
In any case I would say 100% of today’s players would commit a cynical foul in order to win, including “shock horror” the Dublin players, don’t care what jim Gavin says.
and that’s the idea that’s absolutely killing the game of Gaelic football over the last 5/6 years.
While I’m not the worlds biggest football fan, I do believe that the game as a spectacle has just deteriorated in a game that looks like it has no rules what so ever!!!!
jersey tug here, rugby tattle there, what’s the difference?????
I’m surprised nobody has mentioned cluxton pulling the Kerry player down for the pen.. That was cynical :-) but hey, it wasnt Tyrone so who cares!
It was a charge into Cluxton though
Are you talking about when Donncha Wals charged Cluxton in the chest?
Should have been a free out. See Rule 5.24(a).
My God, a penalty was given, what more do people want, Cluxton was charged, the penalty was given due to the follow through from Cluxton after the charge. Kerry got a goal, penalty given, all above board.
One players actions does not make a team cynical! O Carroll shouldn’t play the final and what he did was pure thuggery but its unfair to label the current Dublin team as cynical cause of that! Dublin have been cynical in the not so distant past but no more!
One photo, Diarmaid. You’re clever enough to know that a snapshot like this can be interpreted in many different ways.
I’d never defend an eye-gouge but nobody – NOBODY – from Kerry has said a peep about this, least of all Cooper himself. This is a media/internet storm.
This could be true, and obviously I probably naively am basing my judgement on one photo but my wider point is that whatever the content of a photo or the intricacies of an incident, this Dublin team ARE NOT cynical!
And neither is O’Carroll, even if an eye gouge occurred, itd be deemed aggressive not cynical
Culchie’s at it again Dublin bashing
I’d just like to see the media get into hysterics about all games that involve cynicism, not just games that Tyrone are involved in! :-)
Would you like them to talk about the Tyrone minor game as well??
Believe me I’ve heard all about those young hallions from Tyrone and how it’s bred into them at a young age! Must be something in the water in Tyrone…
Yes, Tyrone are the only county that have committed cynical fouling in both minor and senior football this year! If it wasnt for those pesky northerners eh :-)
Believe it or not, you’re the only clown who keeps bringing Tyrone or Northern Counties. Fact is Tyrone are worse than most counties, but by no means the only ones. If you don’t know that, you must not watch too much football…
I bring Tyrone in as after the Sean cavanagh incident every man and his dog slated us as being the devil worshippers of the gaa.. We were everything that was wrong with the gaa apparently! Nothing was mentioned of other games… Hence why I say it’s strange how nothing was made of other incidents in other games not involving Tyrone :-) if you don’t believe me, look at previous threads based on cynacism..
I think the Gooch tried to loaf Rory’s finger with his eye socket rather than his forehead, explains why his hands/arms aren’t waving at Rory as he was using them as leverage for said loaf……however if I had the benefit of more stills or an actual slowed down video I could be persuaded to alter my opinion on this non-story :-)
i say long may this stuff continue, while all the attention is on issues like this, the pressure of the final isnt as evident or hyped
Is it just me or does that quote be bad grammar?