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Andy Farrell and the uncapped Calvin Nash. Dan Sheridan/INPHO

Farrell sticks with Ireland plans despite Munster's flurry of form

Some excellent players are unlucky to miss out on Ireland’s World Cup training squad.

ANDY FARRELL’S 42-man Ireland training squad ahead of the World Cup is very much a continuation of how he has been selecting his wider groups already this season.

It’s an excellent, exciting squad full of talented Irish players. The hardest part is still ahead for Farrell – whittling this group down to the final 33-man World Cup squad he’s expected to name on Monday 28 August.

Even the four uncapped players – Tom Stewart, Calvin Nash, Ciarán Frawley, and Jamie Osborne – have been part of Farrell’s set-up over the course of the 2022/23 campaign, and before that in Frawley’s case.

So while a handful of Munster players made a particularly strong case for inclusion in recent weeks as they drove to URC glory, Farrell hasn’t been swayed in his thinking.

There are undoubtedly many players unlucky not to be in the mix. Farrell could have made his life easier by making it a bigger squad. Warren Gatland named a 54-man Wales training squad for the summer, although Gregor Townsend went for just 41 in Scotland. The Ireland boss wasn’t interested in extra numbers just to avoid individual dejection.

So Farrell has no room for previously capped internationals such as Jean Kleyn, Shane Daly, Joey Carbery, Jeremy Loughman, Mike Haley, Jordan Larmour, Nick Timoney, and Robert Baloucoune, nor for other in-form bolters like John Hodnett and Antoine Frisch. Some fine players have missed out.

However, the reality is that Ireland’s 42-man squad involves no big surprises. It has been well flagged by now which players Farrell and his coaches rate.

22-year-old Leinster lock Joe McCarthy is a good example. Farrell and forwards coach Paul O’Connell regard him as a large, energetic, explosive lock who could be a real force at Test level. They understand that McCarthy is still raw in some aspects and needs to play a little further away from the edge at times with his discipline, but they like him.

joe-mccarthy-celebrates-after-the-game McCarthy is highly rated in Ireland camp. Dan Sheridan / INPHO Dan Sheridan / INPHO / INPHO

McCarthy has only played 35 minutes of rugby for Leinster since January due to injury and then non-selection for play-off games, but we also know that recent provincial form is far from the first thing that Farrell and co. consider. If it was the chief factor, Kleyn would be in this squad.

Instead, they consider the profile of players they want for their Ireland systems, as well as the players’ international form. Kieran Treadwell featured in all three Tests against the All Blacks last summer, played twice last November, then came off the bench in the Grand Slam clincher against England. Ireland like his dynamism. 

And it’s not just about game days. McCarthy only has one cap but the Ireland coaches see players up close and personal in camp and at training. In Treadwell’s case, they like how he has broadened his skillset. That kind of recent ‘form’ counts more than the provincial stuff in most cases.

Another example is Dave Kilcoyne continuing in the Ireland squad despite being out of the Munster matchday 23 in recent weeks. Kilcoyne played three times in Ireland’s Grand Slam campaign, which was only a few months ago. Farrell was pleased with his contribution and that carries more weight than recent events in the URC, which won’t really be relevant come September at the World Cup. 

Another area of contention in this wider squad would have been the back three. There’s no doubt that Baloucoune, Larmour, and Haley had good claims to be involved, even if Munster man Daly might be the most suited of all to how Ireland play. 

In fairness, those actually selected fit with what Ireland want to do. Jacob Stockdale’s form with Ulster this season hasn’t been headline-grabbing but he has been good overall and has Test rugby pedigree. Importantly, he has a massive left boot and is generally strong in the carry, so he does cover some of what James Lowe brings on the left wing.

Fullback depth has been a possible concern for Ireland but Farrell is happy to go with Jimmy O’Brien, Mack Hansen, Frawley, and maybe Stockdale as the cover options for Hugo Keenan in that position. Munster’s Haley continues to be overlooked.

jacob-stockdale-comes-on-as-waterboy Jacob Stockdale is a regular in Ireland squads. Ben Brady / INPHO Ben Brady / INPHO / INPHO

Farrell has included several versatile players in his group, which will remain valuable even with World Cup squads having gone up from 31 players to 33. O’Brien and Frawley can cover lots of positions in the backline, while the likes of Tadhg Beirne and Ryan Baird give flexibility in the back five of the scrum.

There’s also 21-year-old Osborne, who has been sidelined by a knee injury in recent months but who spent most of the Six Nations with Ireland and impressed greatly behind the scenes. They believe he can be a top-end Test player sooner rather than later, while it’s handy being able to play in both midfield slots and across the back three.

It’s tough on those who can’t get a foot in the environment now, but that’s life at the top end of professional sport. It can be deeply frustrating and disappointing. 

And the reality is that many of the players who will be feeling elated now will eventually end up in that dreaded grouping of numbers 34 to 42 – the ones who miss out on the final World Cup cut and instead go onto standby duty.

All of this points to the fact that Farrell’s Ireland group is extremely settled. Really, he could have picked this squad straight after the Six Nations. Indeed, the selection strengthens the sense that Ireland will go into the World Cup with great cohesion and a confident sense of momentum based on their exploits over the past two seasons. Again, that’s more relevant than how Leinster or Munster have played recently.

There are players all over the country who will feel they just needed a chance at training this summer, but Farrell drives on with an excellent group. His final 33-man squad will be among the favourites in France.

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    Mute Daithí
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    May 30th 2023, 4:36 PM

    As much as I’d love to see more Munster guys involved you can’t really argue too much with his selection. He’s capped a lot of guys over the last two seasons and this group knows the Irish system inside out. Cutting it down agsin is going to be a huge task. The one that irks me is stockdale over Daly. Daly has been so so consistent this season and has improved more than any Munster player this season imo. Still like other world cups there’s going to be a lot of injuries so let’s not write the non selected off yet

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    May 30th 2023, 5:56 PM

    @Daithí: Don’t let it irk you too much. Stockdale is a proven quality player at the very highest level. Beset by injuries in recent seasons but showed real form/ fight in the last few months in an Ulster team that were losing. Farrell clearly rewarding that as a fit and firing Stockdale would be a serious asset to this team. Easy to forget he’s still only 27.

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    May 30th 2023, 7:08 PM

    @Daithí: There is no place for that kind of measured and sensible comment here!

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    May 30th 2023, 7:47 PM

    @Jack McCartie: oh for sure I totally get it, experience at international level is massive. Just thought over the season Daly had been the better player and he’s been in and around the Irish set up so it wouldn’t just be throwing him in there. Saying all that would either of the two be in the 23 ? I don’t think so

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    May 31st 2023, 2:57 PM

    @Daithí: Exactly. He has been working with all these players for the past 2 years and he’s been imbedding different structures and systems in place. He’s been developing the likes of Baird, Frawley, Osborne, O’Brien, McCarthy, Prendergast, Stewart for a while now. He’s had a great year with the squad that he has stuck with. He’s hardly going to just drop all of those guys because a few Munster players have been playing well 2 or 3 months out from a World Cup. That would be totally reckless and erratic. Munster fans insisting Loughnan, Barron, Daly, Frisch be included when they’ve hardly ever been in the actual training squads. Like what planet are yous on haha

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    May 30th 2023, 5:20 PM

    “Indeed, the selection strengthens the sense that Ireland will go into the World Cup with great cohesion and a confident sense of momentum based on their exploits over the past two seasons. Again, that’s more relevant than how Leinster or Munster have played recently.”

    I’d disagree with this. There’s nothing better for momentum than winning. Adding an extra 3/4 of that Munster starting team to the squad would have raised the intensity of that environment in camp a lot I’d say.

    First time in a decade there’s some genuine competition between Munster and Leinster and I think the coaches have missed a trick not harnessing that for the next few months, regardless of who they plan to bring on the plance to France.

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    May 30th 2023, 5:52 PM

    @ttam 12: Genuinely curious, but who would you add/replace?

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    May 30th 2023, 6:25 PM

    @Ruaidhri MagFhloinn: Daly for Earls, Kleyn for Treadwell. And then I’d have just selected Hodnett and Haley as specialists at 7 and 15. Insurance in the camp in case anything happens to JVDF or Keenan before they leave.

    I think those 4 have been Munster’s best players this season, along with Nash and Beirne once he came back.

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    May 30th 2023, 7:09 PM

    @ttam 12: there’s a long road yet before the squad departs never mind injuries that will undoubtedly occur along the way.

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    May 30th 2023, 4:07 PM

    Winning a mickey mouse trophy is obviously not going to change Farrells plans, lets be honest

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    May 30th 2023, 4:08 PM

    @Dave Moran: wouldn’t you have liked to win that Mickey Mouse trophy!

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    May 30th 2023, 4:19 PM

    @Dave Moran: Ah your back, bit annoyed about Jordan I’d say?

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    May 30th 2023, 6:17 PM

    @Dave Moran: well it is a trophy!

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    Mute Batster
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    May 30th 2023, 7:09 PM

    @Philyclever@eircom.net: again? Not really. Leinster’s season was a failure for not winning Europe.

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    Mute TL55
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    May 30th 2023, 11:00 PM

    @Dave Moran: Better than no trophy.

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    May 30th 2023, 5:31 PM

    .. contd
    Locks Back Row (10) : Baird, Beirne, Conan, Doris, VDF, O’Mahony, Ryan all certain. So pick 3 from Coombes, Henderson, McCarthy, Prendergast and Treadwell.
    Scrum-halves-(3) done and dusted. JGP, Murray and Casey.
    Out halves (3) Sexton, Crowley, Byrne
    Centres (3) Aki, Henshaw and Ringrose
    Back 3 (5) Hansen, Lowe, Keenan and certain. So choose 2 from Stockdale, O’Brien, Osborne, Frawley, Earls(?)

    Really not much selections in play if there is no injury!

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    Mute John Morris
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    May 30th 2023, 5:19 PM

    Team cohesion won the 6N for Ireland and no way was this going to be compromised for WC. Hence the incremental expansion. For a 33 man panel, there are very few open positions – assuming a 19/14 backs/forwards split and 3 needed for specialist positions:
    Front row: only Herring/Stewart
    Back

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    May 30th 2023, 5:51 PM

    @John Morris: I think he goes 18-15 – goes with 8 front rowers with Bealham being versatile

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    May 30th 2023, 7:16 PM

    @Owen ODonoghue: unless Furlong sorts his fitness issues, Bealham may well be starting TH!

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    May 30th 2023, 8:13 PM

    @John Morris: very true , I’d go 9 front rowers and have Loughman over Kilcoyne, i don’t see Healey starting any games

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    May 30th 2023, 4:06 PM

    Shocking shi… from Farrell.

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