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Limerick's Richie McCarthy battling with Kilkenny's Henry Shefflin. INPHO/James Crombie

Allen: "Having played both of them I think that Kilkenny are probably better than Tipperary at the moment."

They may have bowed out of the 2012 All-Ireland championship yesterday but in the Limerick camp there was still hope that they are travelling in the right direction.

THEY WILL MEET at the All-Ireland SHC semi-final stage on August 19th and having shared the last three national crowns between them, the latest instalment of the Tipperary and Kilkenny rivalry will be eagerly awaited.

John Allen is in the unique position of having faced both teams in the championship arena this summer and was well placed to judge the merits of the two teams after seeing his Limerick charges bow out against Kilkenny yesterday afternoon in Semple Stadium

โ€œHaving played both of them I think that Kilkenny are probably better than Tipperary at the moment. Tipperary are improving. That was a very work-man like performance by Kilkenny and theyโ€™ll be very hard to beat on that form.

โ€œThereโ€™s no doubt that those Kilkenny players are still the great players theyโ€™ve always been. Theyโ€™re very strong in the air and good at winning possession.โ€

Limerick certainly have hugely promising young players emerging in their ranks but trying to bridge that gap with the elite is an onerous challenge. Yet Allen feels it is within their capabilities.

โ€œIt comes down to intensity and work-rate. We had that in the first half and we didnโ€™t have it in the second half. Are there enough good hurlers there? Certainly Limerick have a few exceptional hurlers and a lot of very good hurlers. Confidence can do wonders and winning a game against Kilkenny or Tipperary, the confidence levels could rise. Itโ€™s just making that break and beating one of those top teams.โ€

โ€œAt half-time we were happy enough to be just a point down having played against the wind. I said to the players do we now believe we can win this? We were in the game at that stage, but in the 15 minutes after half-time it was won and lost. We canโ€™t have too many complaints. Our backs were heroic though. Richie McCarthy at full-back was just super.โ€

After a year where Limerick began by being trounced in their opening league match against Clare and subsequently failing to garner promotion to Division 1A, the championship campaign generated positive vibes in Allenโ€™s eyes.

โ€œFrom the first day out at the end of February when we were well beaten we have made a lot of progress. Limerick hurling is going in the right direction, but moral victories are no good any more. Itโ€™s a matter of knuckling down for all the hard work that it takes to get up there with Kilkenny and Tipperary.โ€

One of their brightest talents is Shane Dowling and the Na Piarsaigh teenager, in his first year out of the minor ranks, believes there is still huge optimism for the countyโ€™s future hurling prospects.

โ€œItโ€™s a learning curve for us,โ€ Dowling told TheScore.ie. โ€œIf you look at our team, I donโ€™t think, bar maybe one, that thereโ€™s going to be any retirements. Itโ€™s a very young team. Weโ€™ll look forward to next year already.

โ€œJohn (Allen) is a very cool guy and he leaves a lot up to the players. The management team have been very good but thereโ€™s fantastic players there as well to back that up. I suppose my year coming in, Iโ€™ve been looking up to lads and what I expected is what Iโ€™ve got so Iโ€™ve been thrilled with it all.โ€

Dowling admitted Limerick had steeled themselves for a Kilkenny onslaught but that the level of intensity they brought to the game was something he had not encountered previously and they displayed their ruthlessness in putting the game to bed during the second-half.

โ€œIt was a whole new ball game and I thought personally it was the most intense game that Iโ€™d played all year. Theyโ€™re physical strong and big, and they hurl at a very intense level. I genuinely donโ€™t think there was a person in the country that could say they were a better team than us at half-time. There were a load of rumors of backlash that were being spoken about during the week, but I thought we handled it fairly well anyway.

โ€œIn the space of ten minutes the game was over in the second-half and Kilkenny did what they do to most teams. Theyโ€™re super at putting away teams in the blink of an eye. Itโ€™s what tells at the finish of games. Their ruthlessness is just outstanding.โ€

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    Jul 20th 2018, 8:13 AM

    Shelbourne ,Cork, Rovers, Drogheda, and Bray and Limerick this season all have had same problems in recent yearโ€™sโ€ฆ.. The fai need to sort out their problem child once and for all

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    Jul 20th 2018, 8:29 AM

    @Tony O Connor: Fai canโ€™t be trusted to sort it out. Fans took control of Cork City and slowly but surely turned the club around,(From going to Derry with just 12 players, to the bus refusing to take them to Dublin for a game because bus company hadโ€™nt been paid).A few short years later look where they are now, League Champions and fai cup holders, playing in Champions League! Regular crowds between 4,000 and 6,000, (more for european games). What a turn around because of the fans taking control of their club and running it the way it should be run, not because of fai involvement.

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    Jul 20th 2018, 8:57 AM

    @running man: great point about the fans controlling the club. Munich is 50% controlled by fan and itโ€™s a massive success. Different situation I know but fans donโ€™t want to make money and leave they want to make a good squad that competes for silverware every season

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    Jul 20th 2018, 2:07 PM

    @Arry Ryan: all bundesliga clubs are majority owned by club supporter groups with the exception of one or two clubs who have found a way around the 50+1 โ€œfootball clubs will not be allowed to play in the Bundesliga if commercial investors have more than a 49 percent stakeโ€

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    Jul 20th 2018, 8:53 AM

    Maybe the league should return to amateur status? There are only a few spectators at any game & there are only tiny TV or advertising revenues. The players are not generating enough income to pay their wages.

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    Jul 20th 2018, 10:09 AM

    @Locojoe: You obviously havenโ€™t been at a City match in Turners Cross.

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    Jul 20th 2018, 10:16 AM

    @Locojoe: Its not up to the players to generate revenue, all they can do is go out and try to win. Its the owners of financial officer at bigger clubs who deal with finances.

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    Jul 20th 2018, 12:15 PM

    @Locojoe: so your basically saying that clubs in league 2/1 over in England should go amateur right? Majority of clubs get small crowds over their, and then you look at cork averaging 5000, sham/dundalk averaging over 3000 and Sligo/pats averaging up and over 2000 people per game.
    Yet your here laying into the LOI saying it should go โ€œamateurโ€ when the crowds have been improving year on year.

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    Jul 20th 2018, 10:08 AM

    Limerick were getting 2 to 3 thousand at games last year , and then manager sacked , another left them in the lurch and joined a team back home , and said he was brought in to do a hatchet job , and was leaving the club in a good position , . Pat o Sullivan , who was never shy in speaking out , has for this past while stayed silent. The fai need to send in accountants / auditors to check their books , for a start .

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    Jul 20th 2018, 9:43 AM

    With the battle between GAA and soccer for supporters and players along with our relatively small population very few clubs in this country will ever be on a stable footing. The advertising for games is non existant. The marketing from the clubโ€™s and FAI is appalling.
    I have been an ireland season ticket holder for years and never once gotten an email about my nearest club which would be tallaght to ask about interest in going to club games. The game in Ireland is dead right now and without a complete new set of standards for clubs, financial and marketing it has no hope of surviving

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    Jul 20th 2018, 10:18 AM

    @ChuckE: โ€œI have been an ireland season ticket holder for years and never once gotten an email about my nearest club which would be tallaght to ask about interest in going to club games.โ€

    You just explained perfectly why so many LoI fans wont go to Ireland games, why fund a sporting organisation when said organisation does literally nothing to improve its local league. Even an email which can be setup to be auto sent and they donโ€™t even do that.

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    Jul 20th 2018, 9:56 AM

    FAI are a joke. Sligo Rovers have to go 77 days without a home league fixture due to FAI planning. Imagine shutting a business for 77 days and expecting it to survive.

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    Jul 20th 2018, 9:10 AM

    Anybody know what a typical wage at a club like Limerick might be?

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    Jul 20th 2018, 9:59 AM

    @Jumperoo: some junior soccer players are getting more than some at limerick , another fai problem to solve? Without burying their heads in the sand?

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    Jul 20th 2018, 9:17 AM

    You still need big financial backers and no amount of wind blowing up my ass is going to tell me that cork dont have big financial backers. No club on FANS ALONE funding it would survive in the LOI. Rumours of two groups looking for 100% ownership when the season finishes. As I said rumours.

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    Jul 20th 2018, 9:24 AM

    @Trevor Beacom: Bohemians have been members-owned throughout their 128-year existenceโ€ฆ

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    Jul 20th 2018, 10:04 AM

    @Trevor Beacom: Cork City is 100% owned by the fans with no outside financial backing. FACT.

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