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'There's nobody better in world rugby than Joe when it comes to exploiting weaknesses'

Murray Kinsella and former Ireland performance analyst Eoin Toolan discuss Joe Schmidt’s potential influence on Saturday’s quarter-final.

ON SATURDAY, IRELAND will provide more familiar opposition to New Zealand than is true of the reverse.

While Andy Farrell’s side will line out very similarly to how they did during last summer’s series on Kiwi soil, the All Blacks have since significantly switched things up on and off the field ahead of this weekend’s World Cup quarter-final in Paris.

And, then, of course, there is the Joe Schmidt factor, albeit the former Ireland head coach’s involvement with Ian Foster’s All Blacks was downplayed by Keith Earls earlier this week.

“I don’t think Joe would know anything about this squad,” Earls said.

“We are completely different squad. He probably knows things about individuals but, again, we have all changed our habits under this coaching staff and we genuinely don’t use any of the habits that Joe taught us.

“Look, he might have a thing on a couple of individuals but we are certainly not the same team that played under Joe.”

Schmidt’s influence on the All Blacks attack, and his familiarity — or lack thereof — with Ireland’s players four years after his departure, were among the topics discussed during The 42′s quarter-final preview on Wednesday’s Rugby Weekly Extra podcast for subscribers.

And Eoin Toolan, who worked with both Earls and Schmidt as a performance analyst with Ireland, believes Schmidt’s knowledge of Andy Farrell’s is a “point of difference” heading into Saturday’s defining showdown.

“When Joe came into the Irish setup in ’13, the detail we went into in terms of the New Zealand players’ strengths — but probably more importantly, weaknesses… He had a deep understanding of the New Zealand players and he probably took them off the pedestal a little bit,” Toolan explained.

“I think the Irish players derived a lot of confidence from that going into that week.

I know we managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in the 83rd minute but I think that was probably the beginning of the Irish players understanding that it’s just 15 guys on the field; yes, they’ve got brilliant attributes but they also have frailties.

“I know what Early’s saying in the press”, Toolan added, “but fundamentally, they are still the same players, they still have the same habits in terms of how they play the game.

There’s a bank of evidence there. And there’s nobody better in world rugby than Joe Schmidt when it comes to analysing video and exploiting weaknesses both in individuals and in teams.

“He’s just a world-class coach. Take away his involvement with Ireland. You can see the influence he’s had on New Zealand since he’s come back into the system.”

This is where The 42 journalist Murray Kinsella believes Schmidt’s potential influence on Saturday’s game will be most pronounced.

Speaking of the All Blacks’ attack, which has markedly improved since New Zealand’s 2-1 series defeat to Ireland last summer, Kinsella said: “Often, you know exactly what’s coming but you don’t know what option they’re going to take. In that sense, they share a similarity with Ireland.

“And Joe Schmidt’s been really important in that.

“I know all the talk this week has been that he knows the Irish players — and of course he does; he knows every player in the world because he watches every single clip in the world. But the real power he gives New Zealand is what he’s simplified and nailed down with their team.

“As Eoin said earlier, they weren’t structured enough last year. They’re more structured now. And they can still break out of that, they can still go the length of the pitch in the blink of an eye. But he (Schmidt) has got really good, simple, set-piece strikes that magnify the brilliant individual talent that the All Blacks have, and their kicking game is much better.”

The kick battle was another element of the game into which Toolan and Kinsella looked as they broke down Saturday’s salivating encounter for The 42 subscribers, while the two analysts and host Gavan Casey also previewed the other three quarter-finals.

Of Ireland versus New Zealand, Kinsella added: “It absolutely is going to take another level from Ireland than what it took last year. They’re completely aware of that.

“Also, just the stakes involved in this game, World Cup quarter-final. The All Blacks will definitely draw belief from the history — whether or that’s in any way relevant because a lot of their players weren’t in those teams.

“But they think they’re a World Cup team, a World Cup nation. They don’t think Ireland are. And I know for a fact that the other head coaches feel that way about Ireland. ‘Let’s see what you can do when the pressure’s on.’”

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    Mute Liam O'Flynn
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    Oct 11th 2023, 6:21 PM

    The most disappointing three games I’ve ever watched Ireland play (and I’m including the 60-0 defeat to NZ in 2012)
    3 Ireland v Japan World Cup qualifier 2019 Unbelievable
    2 Ireland v Argentina QF World Cup 2015 Left a bitter taste
    1 England v Ireland 57-15 in a World Cup warm up Truly frightening in its ineptitude

    Joe gets all the plaudits and mostly that’s correct. But boy, did Ireland play some mummified, ossified, turgid rugby when he was around. We will always owe Joe for Soldier Field. But I’d be much more concerned if Andy Farrell was in the NZ camp and Joe was our coach. Andy leaves a great big vapour trail of magic and hope in his wake. Whatever happens Saturday, wow for what you’ve done, Andy. Just wow.

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    Oct 11th 2023, 6:25 PM

    @Liam O’Flynn: strange you rank a meaningless pool game and warm up game so high?

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    Oct 11th 2023, 6:43 PM

    @brian o’leary:
    Hi Brian. The penny dropped during that game that other teams had figured us out. We were too one-dimensional and were playing the same ‘structured’ rugby that got us into trouble in the last World Cup. We couldn’t change from giving the ball to Stander to bosh and biff up the middle. Jack Carty took the bullet for the Japan game and that was unfair. Anyway, I’m just trying to put some perspective on his tenure. A mix of the glorious and the ungainly. Lots of highs but boy some real lows too.

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    Oct 11th 2023, 7:10 PM

    @Liam O’Flynn: fair enough, although I think you undermine your point by rating meaningless games above say grand slam decider 2003 v Eng, 2003 WC v Fra, 2011 WC v Wales, even 2007 WC v Georgia?

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    Oct 11th 2023, 8:02 PM

    @brian o’leary:
    Last point Brian. I never saw playing England as meaningless no matter what the occasion. To me it is THE match. I respect your views, though.

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    Oct 11th 2023, 10:54 PM

    @brian o’leary: Brian , those were sh!t shows no doubt, but all of them occurred before Joe took over in 2012, so no relevanve to the earlier posts? Unless I’m missing something?

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    Oct 11th 2023, 11:41 PM

    @Liam O’Flynn: Of course it was meaningless. The English match you shouldve put in there was Ireland losing to England on that opening 6N game of 2019, THAT was deflating at the time and in hindsight was truly the beginning of the end. Joe Schmidt, genius to à point. Ran his course with Ireland. The real question is, at what stage of the course is he with NZ?

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    Oct 12th 2023, 6:22 AM

    @Conor Kelly: did he say he only started watching rugby in 2012?

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    Oct 11th 2023, 5:15 PM

    Schmidt is yesterday’s man. The game has moved on. He did a decent job with Ireland but the two World Cup debacles under him will never be forgotten. That New Zealand pack is nowhere near physical enough. Ireland by 10 plus.

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    Oct 11th 2023, 5:19 PM

    It’ll be tough on Schmidt, loosing three quater finals in a row. :P

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    Oct 11th 2023, 5:22 PM

    @niall kelly: I’m too pumped for this match to spell correctly apparently. Hon Ireland!

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    Oct 11th 2023, 5:22 PM

    Ireland are a more settled team,we have their number and the hunger for this competition !

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    Oct 11th 2023, 6:07 PM

    He really exposed a lot of weaknesses against NZ in 2019..

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    Oct 11th 2023, 5:22 PM

    Please Joe, please beat the West Brit Brigade, the thought of listening to them around the Moines full of Heino

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    Oct 11th 2023, 5:31 PM

    @MartyCharles: lol I wonder how many will bite?

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    Oct 11th 2023, 5:51 PM

    @MartyCharles: King Charles may be the NZ head of State and they may be part of the Commonwealth. But West Brit brigade is a bit much.

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    Oct 11th 2023, 5:56 PM

    @MartyCharles: you get bored waiting for poo v spursey rematch so you spouting shi*here

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    Oct 11th 2023, 6:18 PM

    @MartyCharles: oh watch on the Loserpool fan trolling in Irish rugby articles. Sad sad individual!

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    Oct 11th 2023, 7:10 PM

    @MartyCharles: Clown of the week award goes to you !

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    Oct 11th 2023, 8:03 PM

    @Jb Walshe: nah, you get clown of the week for being daft enough to bite back at his comment.

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    Oct 11th 2023, 11:42 PM

    @mark sheehan: haha and you get clown of the week for the double bite… Genius.

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    Oct 11th 2023, 11:44 PM

    @mark sheehan: I like your single “like” there btw, it’s probably prince Charles himself. Quit being caught in a los-r mentality, it’s really not healthy and get behind Ireland, you know its your country and you want them to do the biz.

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    Oct 12th 2023, 8:09 AM

    @MartyCharles: lol. Say that to Furlong and O’Mahony face to face..

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