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Rónan Kelleher scores a try against New Zealand at the Aviva. Ken Sutton/INPHO

Ferris: One Test win in New Zealand would make for a positive summer for Ireland

The former Ireland star on Johnny Sexton at U20 level, Andy Farrell’s back-row dilemma, and an inevitable Kiwi backlash.

HE REMAINS A pivotal figure for Ireland as his 37th birthday fast approaches but it wasn’t always apparent that Jonathan Sexton would turn into the international stalwart he is today.

During his formative years on underage Ireland squads, the Leinster man often found himself playing second fiddle at out-half to Gareth Steenson – the Armagh native who went on to enjoy major success across the channel with Exeter Chiefs.

Younger than Sexton by just 22 days, former Ulster and Ireland back-row Stephen Ferris was part of the same age group and recalls how the traits that have defined the Dubliner throughout his professional career helped him to eventually progress up the international pecking order.

“On the way around the corner, I passed Blackrock College. We used to train there and we used to stay in Tara Towers Hotel. A miserable hotel, it has thankfully been taken over by Maldron or something. We used to stay there and jog the odd time around the training pitches and Sexto was just hours and hours kicking, spiralling the ball,” Ferris explained at the launch of Ireland’s new home jersey for the 2022/23 season.

“Kicking for posts and he was just religious in everything that he did. We were already having a cup of coffee back at the hotel and he was still just meticulously going through everything, just trying to make himself a better player.

He hated that Gareth Steenson was ahead of him. It drove him up the wall. He’d fall out with people and he just couldn’t understand why he wasn’t selected. It’s just that drive and determination, and it’s the character of the fella. I got on so well with him at underage rugby and it’s a credit to him, and him alone, that he’s made it this far.

mack-hansen-and-jonathan-sexton Johnny Sexton in Ireland training. Billy Stickland / INPHO Billy Stickland / INPHO / INPHO

Because it was where he spent his entire career (which was sadly cut short by injury at just 28 years of age in 2014), Ferris has a great interest in the back row Andy Farrell is going to select for Ireland’s first Test encounter on the Tour of New Zealand at Eden Park on 2 July.

Although there is the prospect of an all-Leinster combination in the shape of Caelan Doris, Josh van der Flier and Jack Conan, Farrell could be persuaded to include Peter O’Mahony at the base of scrum.

If the Munster captain is given the nod, it is Conan who will more than likely miss out with Doris taking over from him at number eight and O’Mahony assuming the latter’s duties on the blindside. Doris has oscillated between both of these positions for Leinster and Ireland in recent times, but Ferris cautioned that moving the Mayo man out of the number six jersey will alter how he plays.

“People always ask me ‘Oh, what’s the difference? Surely it’s just exactly the same?’ It’s not exactly the same, it’s definitely not. You’ve more to worry about at the back of scrums. You might not keep your width as much when you’re playing number eight off line-outs.

“You look at even someone like Marcell Coetzee, who played number eight the whole time for Ulster and he was negated quite a bit when he came up against big teams. All of a sudden he’s wearing the six jersey for the Bulls and Elrigh Louw is wearing number eight. You see him a lot more in the middle of the park.

“You see him a lot more, third, fourth phase. You see him keeping width. There are subtle differences between playing six or eight. It will be interesting to see how Andy looks at that. Jack Conan seems to be the guy who misses out. He always seems to be the one who is put onto the bench if they’re giving someone an opportunity.”

AJ5I7963 Stephen Ferris at the launch of the new Canterbury-manufactured Ireland men's and women's team jerseys.

Despite scoring the first of his two senior international tries against them in November 2010, Ferris never got the better of New Zealand as a player. Since his retirement, however, Ireland have gone on to defeat the All Blacks on three separate occasions – once in Soldier’s Field, Chicago (2016) and twice at the Aviva Stadium (2018 and 2021).

With last November’s 29-20 triumph still fresh in their minds, he expects Ian Foster’s charges will be out to prove a point across their three upcoming tests with Ireland.

“I think if Ireland went out there and got one Test win, that would be so good and so positive going into next year. People forget, we only just beat New Zealand for the first time a couple of years back. Now because we play such really good, expansive rugby and ran them ragged all over the pitch last November, everyone expects us now to go to New Zealand and get a Test series win. That’s just not going to be the case.

“Ireland have a huge target on their back. I think they embarrassed New Zealand a little bit in that game as well, just with the style of rugby. It was almost too easy and you know yourselves, you were probably watching it going ‘Ah jeez, how is this happening!?’ They can’t let that happen again and they certainly won’t,” Ferris added.

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    Feb 26th 2021, 4:52 PM

    Something about positive from the FAI for a change.

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    Feb 26th 2021, 5:00 PM

    He has been absolutely brilliant since arriving at the club. We are much improved defensively because of him alone. Turned down the chance to manage Fleetwood a month ago to learn under Tuchel. Hopefully, he has a similar impact for Ireland.

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    Feb 26th 2021, 8:53 PM

    @#JUSTICE4NOEL: who’s we?

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    Feb 26th 2021, 9:00 PM

    @Tosh Moher: Ah you’re one of those fans. I say “we” as in Chelsea. Or am I not allowed to say that? I watch every game, I get to say “we”. I hope that’s ok with you Tosh.

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    Feb 26th 2021, 9:26 PM

    @#JUSTICE4NOEL: transformed our set pieces. Duffy will thrive

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    Feb 26th 2021, 9:33 PM

    @Hugh: if only he could defend

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    Feb 26th 2021, 9:44 PM

    @#JUSTICE4NOEL: a Flaming sword likes football….they’ll be raging on ailesbury road

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    Feb 26th 2021, 11:11 PM

    @Danger: rugby, football, golf, GAA, you name it, I’ll watch it

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    Feb 26th 2021, 11:52 PM

    @#JUSTICE4NOEL: darts, horse racing….

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    Feb 27th 2021, 1:31 AM

    @#JUSTICE4NOEL: of course your allowed say that Noel, I just find it a contradiction that you as a Republic of lrl supporter would be also be a supporter of Chelsea FC a club and supporters that have a history of racism, and an owner of dubious wealth, and also a club with strong links to the British Army, not a “we” many Irish people would want to be.

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    Feb 27th 2021, 7:28 AM

    @#JUSTICE4NOEL: that is grand and all but I have met few English supporters of their native home town football clubs like Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal in Australia over 18 yrs and they all seem to have a less then favourable opinion of Irish people supporting their club, spending their hard earned cash on supporting their local club in Manchester, Leeds or London etc. Irish support for their club is about as relevant as a supporter from Hong Kong. I was actually quite surprised tbh.

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    Feb 27th 2021, 2:12 PM

    @Patrick Lawlor: Why were you surprised? We’re not British, we have our own league. Irish fans filling out the Aviva for Liverpool v League of Ireland XI is no different to Hong Kongers filling out Hong Kong stadium for Liverpool v Kitchee FC. I think a lot of Irish fans like to think it is different for them. They deserve some special status as supporters of English football clubs. ‘Real fans’ etc etc For whatever reason, a lot of PL fans hate the idea of football tourists. It is okay for them to have a squad packed full of players from all over the world, but international fans are not welcome. Morons. Irish fans might as well be tourists too. But, as I said, they like to think they deserve some special status with English clubs.

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    Feb 26th 2021, 6:10 PM

    An appointment based on merit and not a jobs-for-the-boys scheme. It’s a start.

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    Feb 26th 2021, 5:54 PM

    Now that’s a good appointment. A glimmer of hope.

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    Feb 26th 2021, 6:15 PM

    Great appointment..under the radar.. no leaks..hopefully like our defense..

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    Feb 26th 2021, 8:33 PM

    Kenny has really freshened things up with Barry and Dean Kiely on board. Hopefully the way forward, need to improve quickly after a dreadful start. Good luck to them all.

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    Feb 26th 2021, 6:12 PM

    Great news..under the radar appointment..

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    Feb 26th 2021, 10:30 PM

    Boys we’re winning the World Cup

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    Feb 26th 2021, 9:39 PM

    Hopefully will start the end of a parochial finish to International Irish football, go Stephen Kenny,

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    Feb 27th 2021, 12:40 AM

    Did anyone get the date for the stoning of JD.. these bag of boulders I have are raring to flung… nothing like a good Saturday morning stoning, Stephen’s green would suffice as the venue, John only loved hanging around the green.

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    Feb 26th 2021, 9:59 PM

    No chance they could have given Robbie Keane a gig. Considering he is being paid still anyway!

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