NEW ZEALAND TURNED heads with their 96-17 victory over Italy on Friday night, running in 14 tries against the Six Nations outfit to virtually seal a quarter-final against either Ireland, South Africa or Scotland.
On Monday’s Rugby Weekly Extra podcast, which is available exclusively to The 42 subscribers, Murray Kinsella and Bernard Jackman joined Gavan Casey to look ahead to Ireland’s pivotal pool game against Scotland this Saturday but equally to assess the All Blacks, who will lie in wait for Ireland should Andy Farrell’s side earn a ninth consecutive win over the Scots in Paris.
Kinsella said that while Italy’s performance strayed over the border towards “disgraceful”, New Zealand’s performance laid down a marker ahead of any last-eight tie. Jackman, meanwhile, believes that a prospective quarter-final between Ireland and New Zealand would be a 50-50 game.
“This team doesn’t have the quality of the 2015 World Cup-winning squad — I don’t think anyone does,” Kinsella said of Ian Foster’s All Blacks. “And in comparison to previous All Black teams, this doesn’t feel like it’s as potent a unit. We’ve just seen them lose matches to the other top sides over the past couple of years.
“And yet, if you get them in a World Cup quarter-final, you have every chance of losing that because they still possess so many weapons.
“Obviously, Ireland are among the favourites for the World Cup but I think New Zealand would love to actually play them and set the record straight.
“They got beaten on home soil in a series for the first time ever [by Ireland] last summer and it’s probably been simmering away. I think it’s driven an improvement from them and clearly, it drove changes to the coaching team around Ian Foster with Joe Schmidt coming in full-time, with Jason Ryan coming in and adding a little bit of edge to the forwards.
“I still think that, from a purely objective point of view, Ireland or South Africa are a better team, and France have just that bit more might and grunt, but the All Blacks are still absolutely lethal.
“That Italy game was a statement: ‘Listen, if you get us in a quarter-final, we’re going to be really hard to defend. Maybe you’ll feel that your forward pack can get on top of ours but there’s not going to be a moment of comfort.’
“As there wasn’t in New Zealand for that summer series, really.
Again, people should go back and have a look at that third test. It wasn’t the cakewalk that maybe is remembered in some quarters. Ireland had to absolutely grit it out in the last quarter — Tadhg Beirne came up with some phenomenal, grandstand plays to keep them ahead.
“It was a tough-fought series and if Ireland get New Zealand in a quarter-final — and I know they’ve still got to beat Scotland, let’s acknowledge that — it will be a hell of a battle.”
Former Ireland hooker Jackman added that, if Ireland were to beat Scotland and book a last-eight meeting with the All Blacks, the contest would come down to the “toss of a coin” on paper.
“I think we can beat them,” Jackman added. “It’d be a little bit like France-New Zealand, to be fair, where New Zealand hurt France on a couple of occasions but France didn’t really panic, they stayed in the game.
You’re going to concede line-breaks against New Zealand, no matter how good your defence is, because of how good their first-phase attack is but also their general skillset and power and pace.
“But I also don’t think that, defensively, they’re anywhere near as good as the Springboks. And I’m also not sure about their front five; even though, individually, all of those players could play for top European clubs and some of them are legends of the game, I’m just not sure that they’re as well-drilled as Ireland’s pack, even with their change of forwards coach.
“And people will say, ‘Oh, what about Ireland’s lineout?’ or whatever, but I think at the moment that our pack are playing at a level that they’re not actually getting credit for.
“And it’s going to be really important this weekend against Scotland. Effectively, against South Africa, we were hoping our pack could hold the line against the ‘Boks. Whereas against Scotland or New Zealand, they’re actually going to have to be dominant.
“It’s amazing because we’ve built up our attacking game so much but it’s going to become less and less relevant now as we go. Of course, it has to be effective, but there are going to be way less opportunities. Games are going to become more cagey and people will play the percentages more — even us.”
New zealand will allways be the team to beat they scare me id perfer to meet france after we beat scotland saturday sorry if im to confident world number one best attack why not be confident
@Sèan: I’d much rather New Zealand with a majority Irish support than France. Can’t see France being beat by anyone.
@Ray Ridge: france will beat SA id say ireland v new zealand still scares me but we are very good side is it 17 and 0
@Sèan: You’ve every right to be scared. Scotland scare me for some unknown reason. Perhaps it’s because of all this chat of 10 wins in a row or whatever it is now. As matt Williams said every win is a game closer to that winning streak coming to an end. We are not going to continue beating Scotland forever. Hopefully we can get one more win before the streak enevitable comes to an end.
@Ray Ridge: then again everyone should be scared off us
@Ray Ridge: hopefully we can win 4 more break the record as well for most wins every im confident we have much better players than scotland new zealand SA france etc
@Ray Ridge: on the flip side , each game is a game closer to extending that winning streak.. We always knew we’d have to win every game to win the world cup , this game is no different to the last and hopefully no different to the next..
Saying they the Scots have been a bit of a bogey team for us when it matters (2001 “the foot in mouth year” springs to mind) so they always deserve respect.
Agree this side have nothing on the great McCaw 2011/25 sides but can still do a job.. Boks beat them convincinly in Twickenham a few weeks back. They beat the boks quite convincinly in mount smart back in July… They also have showed great resolve with the chips arr down to win huge games (Ie against boks in Ellis Park last year) wouldn’t take this team likely.. They can can do a job especially when under the pump..
@Stuart: just like france will do when they knock SA out
If we beat NZ we are in the final. Can’t see any team from.the other side of the draw causing too much trouble. But that’s a huge if. Personally I’m not confident we will beat them…
The rumours of their resurrection too! Top side. Still have a dodgy defence and rely as always on outscoring opposition which is their downfall when they come up against stingy defences!
Yep, this NZ gang scare the pants off me. BUT, Italy were awful..
It’s the toss of a coin between Irl v NZ