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I’m sure SA fans and coaching staff will react to this with grace and humility.
@Peter Denham: that was top class rugby (two weeks in a row)
Was it not a triple movement for the try ?
I think South Africa come out of that game the better..
@Andrew Hurley: TMO went missing mysteriously. Typical French
@Andrew Hurley: I feel rugby decisions always balance out, whether in the game or in another game. So I would probably feel the French player didn’t stop moving forward, he never lifted his feet or his knees and was driven over by his team mates On another day that will be called a double movement. In a similar way kolbes tip tackle last week was given a yellow even though he changed his grip and followed through. You could very reasonably have given a red card for that tackle, you could easily call that try a double movement, but i feel that both decisions are actually relatively fair.
Gutted we lost that but my my, what a game and what a show from the boks showing what they can actually do…. Absolutely so proud of the boks tonight …that was a hell of a tussle, we played like gladiators… The backline creating and forwards dispay pummelling them was superb…. … See…. We can throw it around and create.. Absolutely proper proud of that and my country…. Ps ignore rassies next video … Wayne Barnes was really good :)
@Stuart Collins: I thought the boks were better team most of the French scores came when they had an extra man. If you compared the movement of winning try to that of kellegher against NZ last year then that try should not have counter. Your point re Rassies video is very relevant I am pretty sure refs will stick together and punish the team more for it. You only have to listen to the way was dealing with South African playerw questioning his decisions compared to French. At one stage he gave out about players roaring offside and kolisi said that’s our players shouting at each other.
@Stuart Collins: I thought you were resident in Ireland?
We are in for some rugby world cup……
Highlight of the game for me was Barnes telling off the camerman for repeatedly swinging around him and getting in his face near the end of the game. Never seen that before and I found that rather hilarious.
Dupont red was the correct call but the rule needs to be looked at. He only had eyes for the ball, surely classifies as some form of mitigation. Struggling to remember as gruelling a test match. Just a complete war of attrition.
@#JUSTICE4NOEL: If you are going to compete for a high ball, you have to jump. Dupont did not jump and that was the factor. Because by not doing that, you are risking the safety of the other player also competing, especially if they themselves jump. It’s every player’s instinct to jump in competing for a high ball.
@#JUSTICE4NOEL: Basically it doesn’t need looking at. Because intention does not matter in this situation. There is still a high level of control and responsibility within the player that takes the other in the air by not jumping.
@#JUSTICE4NOEL: It’s not unreasonable to have a degree of sympathy for Dupont. It was a flattish kick coming across him and he would have caught it had Kolbe not jumped up and kneed him in the head.
Great game. Was enthralling
I thought that the SA fans would show a bit more graciousness after that game. They played better and the red card can’t be argued with, right? Wrong. The SA fans have cemented their status as the worst losers and biggest whingers in the game.
@Gearóid MacEachaidh: what are you on about. Sounds like you are the only one whinging…
@Stuart Collins: ye are in fairness
@Stuart Collins: TO be honest Stuart, Gearoid isn’t entirely wrong, as much as it did sound like he was whinging himself. I was watching the game on a stream and in and around the end of the game, many Saffas were leaving very negative comments, heavily criticising the referee, as they do pretty regularly, but they also went in hard on the coaching staff. Sure, every fan is guilty of doing that whatever team they support, but personally, i’ve never seen a game where the Saffas do not give out about the referee when they lose.
The closest I came to seeing a game where the Saffas did acknowledge they were completely outplayed and blamed nobody else was the Munster game. It was there, but it was far less frequent I thought.
@Paddy Waggon: maybe just a little bit…… now and again… Especially After a test match…….. You are really killing my argument :)
@Criiochúr Daniel Daithí O’Chathail: man, what you have got to understand is that rugby is a religion in South Africa.. Losing is not acceptable… We will blame the pope if we lose a game of rugby :) take it with a pinch of salt..instead of getting upset arou d what may seem arrogance rather take the piss out of us… We love the banter…… Don’t take the ranting and ravi g too seriously.. We are just very patio ate and cocksure about us being the best rugby nation….
@Stuart Collins: we love the game but love the challenge
@Stuart Collins: I get where you are coming from Stuart. I myself always hate the thought of losing. But it’s very unhealthy if you believe you must win every single game. It creates a very bad atmosphere amongst the team, the coaches and the fanbase, and can lead to a very serious disconnect.
Losing happens whether you like it or not. Sometimes it’s not a bad thing if it happens against a top quality side, because it forces that very team to try figure out themselves how they can do better.
And I do notice occasionally, the Saffas do get a bit of stick when they give out. I don’t get involved, but I sit there thinking, ‘Ye are asking for it, lads’. XD
@Criiochúr Daniel Daithí O’Chathail: but like I say, take the piss out of us.. If anybody can. The Irish can… Growing up in South Africa there were only ever two teams in Rugby as far as we were concerned . South africa and New Zealand …… I remember watching tapes of the greatest rugby matches ever and they were always the battle of the giants being sa and nz….. So yes we have an expectation to be the best….. Was in the aviva last week with South africans and Irish around me and my the banter was brilliant….
@Stuart Collins: what am I on about? Check out literally any single South African Rugby page on Facebook, including all the official ones. At least 80% of the commentors are crying about the refereeing. I follow Rugby pages of all the top teams and SA are the only fans where you see this level of whinging. Yes every team in the world has fans who’ll moan, including Ireland, but nowhere to this extent. I am happy to list about a dozen pages on here for you if you don’t want to go to the bother of typing but a 5 second Facebook search will bring up a multitude of pages. My challenge to you is to come back with one just one where the majority of comments were not blaming the ref, again, like the did in the irish match.
@Stuart Collins: in fairness though Rassie does set the standard. He was at it again with his videos this morning, it’s almost like he’s trying to get world rugby to sanction him. It’s annoying because SA are capable of going out and smashing every team next year and winning again. The whole attitude of there being some global conspiracy between world rugby and the refs to make them lose, and yes I’ve read this conspiracy several times, doesn’t do you any good.
Author needs to differentiate the difference between a headbutt and flying into a ruck and making head contact. Nasty challenge , both red cards no option for Wayne Barnes.
@Mark Sheehan: actually don’t believe PSTD had any intention of hitting the ruck he was just trying to get up and got pushed by smith. It’s definitely a red but it possibly smith who should’ve got it. It was his reckless act that caused it
@Barry Newell: actually just seen the close up angle and take that all back
Great game. But i wouldn’t be saying France putting down a marker. South Africa had to play 69 minutes with 14 men. Plus taking of Faff de Klerk being substituted v was a brainless idea. I thought once France went to 14 men he was running the game.