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Katelynn Phelan, 19-year-old professional boxer [3-0]. Sharon Flanagan Photography

'The one thing they never did was hit me... They knew I'd hit them back'

Katelynn Phelan, 19, took her inspiration not from Bray, but from Brooklyn, and wants to blaze a trail down a road less travelled.

WHILE MOST OF us took time off work over Christmas, Katelynn Phelan put hers in.

She trained through it all: Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, the lot.

There were no festive parties, but equally no pity parties. Her job is a little bit different. The Kildare woman is a prizefighter โ€” Irelandโ€™s second-youngest, male or female, at just 19.

She loves her sport, but business is hardly booming. Phelan turned professional a year ago but until earlier this month had fought only twice, picking up eight rounds, two points wins and a couple of modest cheques in March and July of last year.

Sordid insurance prices have driven the game back north of the border: it would currently cost Phelanโ€™s promoters, Boxing Ireland, 2,000% more to insure a fight card in Dundalk than it would 10 miles up the road in Newry.

There were five professional cards in Dublin in 2018. There was only one in 2019. And itโ€™s a safe bet that there will be none in 2020.

And so, as soon as Phelan was informed a couple of months back of the prospect of a third professional fight up in Belfast on 1 February, she knew her Christmas binge would consist not of selection boxes, but of boxing.

โ€œI actually got a full eight weeksโ€™ training camp for the third fight,โ€ she says of her latest outing, a four-round win on Eric Donovanโ€™s undercard at the Devenish Complex last Saturday week. โ€œWe kind of had a bit of an incline that something would come up.

โ€œSure Christmas is just another day, like. I still got to spend it with my family and my training meant I got to enjoy my dinner more โ€” like, I was hungry for dinner and I didnโ€™t eat a load of shit like people normally doโ€ฆ Like I would normally do,โ€ she laughs.

โ€œI came into January two kilos lighter than I came into December, so that was the main thing!โ€

Phelanโ€™s professional debut in March of last year was higher-profile than that of the majority of boxing prodigies.

She took the fight on only three weeksโ€™ notice and, at a dayโ€™s notice, just hours removed from her weigh-in, she was informed that her inaugural bout versus Polandโ€™s Monika Antonik would be televised as part of TG4โ€ฒs live broadcast of the Clash of the Titans bill at Dublinโ€™s National Stadium.

Quite the boon, although the welterweight prospect insists that โ€œthey could have told me the president was going to be ringside and I wouldnโ€™t have caredโ€, stressing that she was predominantly excited to fight for the first time without the protective headgear which remains mandatory wear in the female amateur ranks.

Her second fight took place at Corkโ€™s Neptune Stadium last July. It was Phelanโ€™s first under the tutelage of her current trainer, Niall Barrett. They had an eight-week running start, each getting a feel for how the other operates in the gym.

That was no harm: Bulgariaโ€™s Galina Gyumliyska stood opposite her on that occasion, a 45-year-old journeywoman whose 11-40-1 record betrayed her offerings as an early-career test. Gyumliyska has shared the ring with 15 world champions past, present and future, earning paydays against female boxing greats spanning two generations from British trailblazer Jane Couch to Belgian hell-raiser Delfine Persoon.

Only nine of her 40 defeats have been inflicted inside the distance. Gyumliyska wasnโ€™t on Leeside to win, per se, but she hadnโ€™t been flown over to make Phelan look good, either. The young Irishwoman did that on her own, stylishly adding another shut-out victory to her record.

phelan5 Phelan gears up for her professional debut.

โ€œShe was old enough to be my mother!โ€ Phelan exclaims. โ€œIt actually was a great experience to get in with someone who had so much pedigree in the pro game โ€” and she had an amateur background as well.

โ€œBut I tried not to think about that too much. It was good because it showed what level Iโ€™m actually at โ€” like, in my second fight, Iโ€™m in with females with that kind of experience. So, it just goes to show that Iโ€™m actually already up there with them โ€” throw any woman in there against me and Iโ€™ll just do what I can.

I was hurting her, too. I know I was because she said to me after the fight: โ€˜Wow! Very strong. Never been hit that hard.โ€ And I guess thatโ€™s a good thing considering some of the women she has boxed.

Her most recent opponent, Borislava Goranova, was of a similar ink to the fellow Bulgarian foe who precedes her on Phelanโ€™s CV: the 41-year-old has fought a litany of legends including current undisputed welterweight champion Cecilia Braekhus and British standout Savannah Marshall, the only woman ever to beat Claressa Shields โ€” amateur or pro.

Remarkably, Goranova also faced Couch four times in her first nine pro fights between 2002 and 2004. The fact that there was never cause for even one rematch between them and yet Goranova landed three of them is a fossil record of a necessitous age for the female sport, one during which Couch won a landmark legal case against British boxingโ€™s governing body which paved the way for women to be allowed to fight professionally in the UK.

Without that case 22 years ago, Phelan wouldnโ€™t have been permitted to step through the ropes in Belfast two weeks ago. Because of it, the only common opponents she has with the pioneering Couch are the Bulgarians with whom they shared the ring two decades apart.

poshter A promo poster for Phelan's most recent fight.

Fighters like Gyumliyska and Goranova are relics of an era out of which womenโ€™s professional boxing is currently transitioning, stalwarts whose relevance in their 40s is not uncommon in the womenโ€™s code: remove Phelan from the equation and, of the six other officially active Irish female professional boxers, Katie Taylor is the baby of the bunch at 33.

Having turned pro at 18, Phelan is in every sense the epitome of a new age for womenโ€™s pro boxing. The foundations for the career path were laid by the sportโ€™s old-school earth-workers โ€” unsung heroes such as Couch, Holly Holm and Heather Hardy. The way forward is in the midst of being paved by the new-school influx of elite amateur stars, Taylor their trailblazer-in-chief.

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Phelan, a World Youth and European Junior medallist, had long been earmarked as a future Irish Olympian, a potential successor to the national icon who โ€” like Couch with pro boxing in the UK โ€” blew the doors open for womenโ€™s amateur boxing on these shores.

But Phelanโ€™s decision to turn professional at this early juncture is proof enough of her intention to go her own way. And it has ever been thus.

Once Katie Taylor came on the scene, like, I watched her when she was fighting in the Olympics and stuff, but I was never really like a big, massive fan of Katie Taylor,โ€ she says. โ€œLike, obviously, sheโ€™s a great person, and I look up to her and that now, yeah. But growing up, I kind of just wanted to do it for myself. I wanted to prove to the people who kept telling me, โ€˜You canโ€™t do it,โ€™ that I actually can.

โ€œLike, when I first started boxing, it was because my two brothers and my dad boxed. My dad used to sneak away to go to boxing, and my mother would kind of keep me behind closed doors because I was like a little pitbull โ€” I was rearing to go.

โ€œSo, I actually went over my dadโ€™s head to the head coach who owned the gym at the time.โ€

Wait, what?

โ€œYeah. I was seven.

My dad had actually allowed me to go and watch the boys train. It was a mistake, he says! He was like, โ€˜Youโ€™re not training. You can come and look at your brothers, but youโ€™re not doing it.โ€™ So I went into the head coach, Tom McDermott, and said, โ€˜Tom, can I train?โ€™ A small little pudgy six- or seven-year-old โ€” you canโ€™t say โ€˜noโ€™ to them! I was cute and small so Tom was like, โ€˜Yeah, yeah, work away. Jump in there with the boys.โ€™ And my brothers would have been 13, 14 at the time โ€” this would have been an older group. I was just a small, tiny little thing running around with older lads. They didnโ€™t know what to do. And Iโ€™d stick it to them, like. Iโ€™d try to spar them and everything. I had no fear.

โ€œIโ€™d first gone into the gym when I was five or six, but when I was seven, thatโ€™s when I started fully training. And then my dad was like, โ€˜Oooh, sheโ€™s actually better than the two boys put together!โ€™โ€ she laughs. โ€œAnd we havenโ€™t looked back since.โ€

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โ€œWhen I was youngerโ€, Phelan continues, โ€œeveryone was saying to me, โ€˜Oh, yeah, stay amateur: youโ€™re going to go to the Olympics.โ€™ But then, as soon as I started to grow up and actually start thinking for myself, I just realised, โ€˜Naw, itโ€™s not for me.โ€™ I started to not enjoy the sport, and I just wasnโ€™t enjoying being in the High Performance [Irish national team setup] as much as I thought I would.

โ€œI just didnโ€™t seem to fit in โ€” I didnโ€™t fit the style that the coaches wanted. I like to fight; I like being rough and just fighting. And they didnโ€™t want that โ€” they wanted the European style where youโ€™re up high on your toes, throw three punches and move. And thatโ€™s it. Whereas that wasnโ€™t me. And they tried to change me every single time I was there.

โ€œI just thought professional boxing would be a better fit because then I could actually find the proper style to suit me, and work from there.

โ€œSo then, one day, I printed out the forms myself, filled them out, signed them, and sent them away without my parents knowing,โ€ Phelan recalls with audible devilment, referring to her professional-boxing-licence application to the Boxing Union of Ireland (BUI).

โ€œThey came back saying I got accepted to be a professional boxer.

My mother actually found those forms. Well, like, Iโ€™d left them on the kitchen counter. And she was like, โ€˜Oh, what are these?โ€™ And she went on a little bit of a mad one, like, โ€˜Youโ€™re not turning professional. No chance.โ€™ And then in my last amateur fight I got a rotten decision, and we were kind of told before that fight that I wasnโ€™t going to win it even if I knocked her out. So after that, my mother was more okay with it. But in any case, I was kind of thinking, โ€˜Tough shit โ€” youโ€™ve no choice, Mum!โ€™

The joys of being 18, eh?

โ€œExactly! So, then, my father was like, โ€˜Okay, if youโ€™re going to turn professional, Iโ€™ll be your coach as well.โ€™ So my dad and my uncle actually filled out [BUI] coachesโ€™ forms to be able to be in my corner for fights and stuff like that.

Ah, Iโ€™d be completely lost without my parents, to be honest. They drive me training every single day. And if Iโ€™m on a diet, watching my food, theyโ€™ll do it with me. Well, they tell me they do, but then they sneak the takeaways and chocolate inโ€ฆ Theyโ€™re like, โ€˜Go on, Katelynn, go for a run, there. Weโ€™ll see ya in about two hours!โ€™ Itโ€™s likeโ€ฆ โ€˜All right, Mum, thanks.โ€™

phelan4 Phelan signs with Boxing Ireland Promotions.

Of course, having a professional fighter for a child would rank among most parentsโ€™ worst nightmares, so spare a thought for Mr and Mrs Phelan: Katelynnโ€™s brother Allan, nine years her senior, is also a pro fighter [10-3, 7KOs] who since suffering his only stoppage defeat on his debut in 2010 has forged a decent career, winning impressively on the same TG4-televised card that saw his younger sister take her first steps into the professional ring last year. Indeed, they are the only brother-and-sister double act ever to fight on the same pro bill in Ireland.

โ€œWith Allan, I know the bad side of it and I know the good side,โ€ Phelan says.

โ€œAnd to be completely honestโ€ฆโ€ Thereโ€™s a brief pause. โ€œIโ€™m just going to prove that I can do way more than he can!

โ€œHeโ€™d kill me if he heard me say that!โ€ she laughs. โ€œThat little bit of family competition is always thereโ€ฆโ€

aiden-metcalfe-vs-allan-phelan Oisin Keniry / INPHO Oisin Keniry / INPHO / INPHO

allan-phelan-celebrates-winning Allan Phelan celebrates stopping Aiden Metcalfe last March. Oisin Keniry / INPHO Oisin Keniry / INPHO / INPHO

Allan will always be nearby to give his two cents but it was through her brotherโ€™s connections across the Atlantic that Katelynn got to know her true fighting hero, a famed female figure who hails not from Bray, but from Brooklyn.

The elder Phelan for years fought out of Gleasonโ€™s Gym in the same Big Apple borough, and it was within its storied halls that Katelynn met one of the few people who could provide her with an even more pertinent insight into the murky industry from which she intends to make a living; a woman whose story inspired her to make one of her own.

โ€œHeather Hardy trains there and from day one, I was just like, โ€˜Wow. That is so cool: a female pro boxer.โ€™ I knew then that I wanted to do it.

I text Heather when I was turning pro and she was so supportive. She text me back and gave me tips, telling me things to do. It was so nice. Sheโ€™s a big name over in America โ€” and even back here. And for her to be so nice and so supportive of meโ€ฆ Like, I did an interview with Irish-boxing.com and she shared that [on social media]. I was like a big fangirl โ€” nearly crying!

โ€œBut she just explained to me that it will get really, really tough. She was telling me that in one of her fights, the doors were closed while she was fighting and her fans, who had bought tickets, couldnโ€™t watch her fight. I couldnโ€™t believe that โ€” like, thatโ€™s a disgrace. But she told me that eventually, things will change; keep slaving away at it and if you keep knocking on doors, one will open.

She told me that some days you probably wonโ€™t even want to get out of bed and go training or anything like that. And that you have to ask yourself, โ€˜Why do you fight?โ€™ She was explaining that no matter what, if you stick to it, it will get better.

boxing-2017-heather-hardy-defeats-edina-kiss-by-unanimous-decision Heather Hardy celebrating a victory in Brooklyn in 2017. Joel Plummer Joel Plummer

It will get harder from here, of course. But for now, Phelan describes her decision to turn pro as โ€œliterally the best thing Iโ€™ve ever doneโ€. She adds: โ€œIโ€™ve never been as happy in my whole life.โ€

And with good reason: for a significant portion of her young life, she wasnโ€™t especially happy at all.

โ€œI was bullied in school for years,โ€ she says. โ€œIt was a group of friendsโ€ฆ

โ€œAs soon as we got into secondary school, I got into the Irish team and we started going away on trips. They were actually jealous of my boxing.

Iโ€™ve always been a bit different, and they were all into going out all the time, full faces of makeup. They all looked like fucking robots! They looked the same. And I wasnโ€™t. I was always the different one. I was always better friends with the boys than I was with the girls because I just couldnโ€™t deal with their bitchiness. And they didnโ€™t like the fact that, through the boxing, I was friends with all the boys that they liked.

โ€œAnything they could [think of], theyโ€™d make fun of me, pick on meโ€ฆ

โ€œThe one thing they never did was hit meโ€ฆ They knew Iโ€™d hit them back.

โ€œBut like, I never had the confidence when I was in school to actually stick up for myself. I do now.

โ€œTurning pro showed me that, actually, I have a lot more confidence in me than I thought.

Iโ€™ll still see a few of them in the town and that. And literally, theyโ€™ll cross the road to avoid me. I saw two or three of them that are pregnant with kids already. I was likeโ€ฆ โ€˜Fuck.โ€™ Turning 19, 20 โ€” thatโ€™s a big step. I can hardly take care of myself and my dog, never mind something else!

โ€œAnd itโ€™s the training โ€” the training just gives you that confidence, I think. When youโ€™re training and feeling healthy, you just get a different aura about you. You feel good. And turning pro, that was a major thing that made me feel good, made me feel happy. Once youโ€™re happy, then youโ€™re confident. Well, thatโ€™s what I find, anyways.โ€

phelan6 Phelan does her thing in the gym.

As for her friends now โ€” well, itโ€™s complicated: theyโ€™re not exactly boxing aficionados. โ€˜We donโ€™t know what to do,โ€™ theyโ€™ll say. โ€˜Do we come and watch your fight or do we just go out partying?โ€™

Whereas, even if she wasnโ€™t now a professional athlete, Phelan would by her nature prefer to spend her Saturday night reading a book or watching a movie on Netflix.

The joys of being 19.

โ€œI have a small group that will come and support me and watch me fighting, and that feeling when youโ€™re looking out of the ring and you see them sitting there, and your family and everyone supports you, is unreal,โ€ she says. โ€œYou know thatโ€™s why youโ€™re there to do it. Because youโ€™ve got to show to them thatโ€ฆitโ€™s worth it.โ€

It could be a while before Phelan fights again; thatโ€™s the reality of being a professional boxer in the Republic of Ireland and, as Hardy warned her, the reality of being a female professional boxer anywhere.

But itโ€™s hardly the end of the world. She knew the story when she turned over, and she knows she has ample time on her side โ€” a decade more than most, in fact.

She also knows that in the womenโ€™s code, where 40-something-year-old journeywomen are still, by necessity, in lukewarm demand, a breakthrough opportunity is never a million miles away for a fighter with a decent win column. The key is to be capable of seizing it when the time comes.

phelan7 Phelan is saluted by friends and family as she leaves the ring following her pro debut.

โ€œThe thing is, every day in the gym Iโ€™m learning something newโ€ฆ I learned how to do a tumble there a few weeks ago, so thatโ€™s a start!โ€ she laughs. โ€œI told my six-year-old niece and she was like, โ€˜Katelynn, thatโ€™sโ€ฆnot good. I can do them and Iโ€™m six.โ€™

But I know damn well myself that Iโ€™ll be a world champion. If you give me three years, everyone will know my name. Iโ€™ll have the big, shiny belts that everyone is looking for. I can see it already. I just know that itโ€™s going to happen.

โ€œThings happen really, really quickly in the pro game. Like, you have Siobhรกn [O'Leary] after, what is it, four or five fights, fighting for a Celtic title. You have Terri Harper fighting for a world title after nine fights. It can happen very, very quickly. So I want to spend this year working on my record โ€” get it up there โ€” and hopefully have a Celtic title by the end of the year.

โ€œAnd once you start getting into those belts, thatโ€™s when it all starts to happen. You get noticed by one person and it can blow up.โ€

pjimage - 2020-02-12T013208.712 Terri Harper celebrates her her world-title victory over Eva Wahlstrom (left); Siobhรกn O'Leary and Phelan pose after a training session (right). PA Images (left) PA Images (left)

Mind you, it is in living rooms where mainstream boxing stars are truly born.

โ€œCome on, RTร‰ โ€” or TG4! Come at me!โ€ Phelan laughs. โ€œYou can put that in there in the article and give them a bit of a shout-out! Tell them Iโ€™m here and Iโ€™m waiting for them.

But yeah, seriously, with any TV coverage, too, thatโ€™s when the sponsors come in because theyโ€™re thinking, โ€˜Oh, weโ€™re getting televised.โ€™ Itโ€™s so hard without sponsors, and itโ€™s so hard to get sponsors without TV because they go, โ€˜What do I get for it?โ€™ And you have to be like, โ€˜Well, youโ€™ll get shout-outs in interviews and logos on shorts and things like that.โ€™ But theyโ€™re like, โ€˜Aw, thatโ€™s not really that good because itโ€™s not going to be live [on TV].โ€™

โ€œAnd if I go out looking for sponsors it can often be, โ€˜Oh, weโ€™re not really interested in getting involved with female boxing, sorry.โ€™โ€

Commercial break: businesses evidently not run by cavemen include Unit 3 Health and Fitness in Naas, Hairbelle salon in Kildare Town, Wilton Scrap Metal, online coaching service Strong Body Strong Mind, Nutriquick Meals, and protein-snack provider Biltong, all of whom contribute what they can to Phelanโ€™s career.

And thatโ€™s what Phelan sees this as becoming: an actual sustainable career which one day bears financial fruit as well as fulfilment.

The reality is that such dreams do not come true for the vast majority of boxers. But in Phelanโ€™s case, it scarcely seems unattainable.

Her underage amateur background is a major headstart. Her ability is indisputable. And, crucially, for the first time ever, more than a handful of female prizefighters are actually making a living out of the sport; Katie Taylor has inadvertently seen to that, her impact on the pro game rewarded handsomely by promoter Eddie Hearn who, surely to his chagrin, has managed to catalyse a sort of inflation in female fight purses across the board.

To quote a tweet sent on Tuesday by up-and-coming British star Terri Harper, 23, who won a world title on Hearnโ€™s Matchroom card over the weekend: โ€œA year ago I was picking up extra shifts in the chip shop, peeling potatoes at 6am to make a bit of extra cash. Now Iโ€™m sunning myself in Gran Canaria, took my mum, sisters and partner away. Never thought Iโ€™d be in this position.โ€

Grand for some.

But while a few grand would certainly be nice, for Phelan, the journey ahead is about more than money, too.

Itโ€™s about finding her way.

Itโ€™s about blazing a trail for other youngsters who may wish to one day take a shot at something despite being told that they canโ€™t, or that they shouldnโ€™t.

And itโ€™s about sticking it to anyone who has ever told her the same.

phelan9 Phelan emerges for a ringwalk.

โ€œBeyond becoming a world champion someday, I just want to come out first and foremost with a clean bill of health. Like, you see boxers leave the sport and theyโ€™re practically brain-dead โ€” they canโ€™t string a sentence together.

โ€œI probably canโ€™t do that myself as it is!โ€ she laughs.

โ€œIโ€™d like to have a nice bit of money as well. I know that might sound like a stupid thing to say and I know how difficult thatโ€™s going to be, but you donโ€™t want to be poor every day, either. Iโ€™d like to be able to help my parents out, and my coach and stuff.

โ€œBut the main thing is I really want to inspire other kids, especially girls, and show that no matter who you are or where you came from, or what people say to you, you can do anything you put your mind to.

And I just want to prove to those people that no matter what they said, it couldnโ€™t keep me down. It didnโ€™t stop me.

โ€œโ€ฆAnd that Iโ€™d knock them out now if I saw them!โ€

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    Sep 5th 2014, 9:41 PM

    A disaster. Foley has had a proper โ€˜mare since he took over. Awful team selection again tonight. You wonโ€™t win much with Billy Holland and Oโ€™Callaghan as your second row. And as for big Duncan Williams โ€“ God love us. Tiny crowd again, fans are beginning to give up.

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    Sep 5th 2014, 9:59 PM

    Playing a winger at full back and a full back on the wing

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    Sep 5th 2014, 10:00 PM

    You can add Murphy to that list too.

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    Sep 5th 2014, 10:06 PM

    Very fickle fans if theyโ€™re giving up after one game in.

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    Sep 5th 2014, 10:38 PM

    Keatley is just not good enough. Munster really need to spend some money. Shocking display tonight.

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    Sep 5th 2014, 10:59 PM

    Get in a Peter Grant or perhaps a katrikilas. They would blossom in Munster Heineken cup rugby.

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    Sep 6th 2014, 8:22 AM

    The point about the tiny crowd is the most important one here. Who would have thought that Munster would have such fairweather โ€˜fansโ€™.

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    Sep 5th 2014, 9:43 PM

    When you see Duncan Williams, johnnie murphy, billy Holland, sean dougal and Leighton hodges on the pitch together you no its going to be a long night

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    Sep 5th 2014, 9:40 PM

    Just not good enough anymore plain and simple !!!

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    Sep 5th 2014, 10:02 PM

    The worst thing happened to Munster was loosing penny

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    Sep 5th 2014, 10:04 PM

    Shocking! Lost too much ball in rucks, too many basic errors, leaderless on the pitch and looked to be out muscledโ€ฆ

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    Sep 5th 2014, 9:49 PM

    Whoever is in charge of the camera work in TG4 needs to be fired! Couldnโ€™t see what was going on at the start of the second half.

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    Sep 5th 2014, 9:46 PM

    Not a good night for Munster rugby.

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    Sep 5th 2014, 10:31 PM

    For the love of god, Murray, please donโ€™t do an in depth analysis piece on this, I might kill myself. That performance was absolutely shocking.

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    Sep 5th 2014, 9:42 PM

    Really expected the team to lay down a marker tonight. Everything that went on in the week was enough of a reason, not to mind the fact that it was his first game and its at home.

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    Sep 5th 2014, 10:42 PM

    Zebo needs to stop running sideways and learn how to tackle!

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    Sep 5th 2014, 10:52 PM

    Zebo was hardly at fault I thought he was 1 of the better players (alot worse then him tonight) although he did miss a tackle towards the end which was pretty bad

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    Sep 5th 2014, 10:53 PM

    Why was the game played behind closed doors?

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    Sep 5th 2014, 10:09 PM

    The turn out was very bad for the curtain raiser to the new season for Munster, especially as it was axelโ€™s first home game. Thought it would have been a much bigger occasion. One game doesnโ€™t make a season of course but really thought tonightโ€™s game was going to be a big event. Ah well thanks to the grace of god Iโ€™m a Leinster fan.

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    Sep 5th 2014, 10:03 PM

    Duncan Williams =

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    Sep 5th 2014, 10:06 PM

    There was a poo emoticon at the end of that. You know, the blank space works just as well. Awful.

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    Sep 5th 2014, 11:20 PM

    I turned on TG4 for 10 mins and switched off again. Tired of watching second string teams play in the pro12. This is the first weekend of the competition. The organisers should want to grab viewers but after that why bother. Cannot blame the fans for not turning up. The same bolloxology of crouch touch engage (aka time to switch channels) is still around. Poor handling and zero pace. Why would you bother watching? It is meant to be entertainment.

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    Mute Liam is ainm dumb
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    Sep 6th 2014, 2:24 AM

    IRFU Player Welfare policy tied Foleys hands in alot of his selections.. mind you starting Williams ahead of Sheridan is a puzzler

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    Sep 6th 2014, 3:26 AM

    True but Munster just arenโ€™t producing players through the academy! Leinster and to a lesser extent Ulster have been a conveyor belt of up and coming talent over the last 5 years. What has Munster produced in the last few years?
    The playing population is pretty much the same demographic so the problem in Munster has to lie in the academy staff; as much as I love Munster Iโ€™m gonna say it: a 100% rookey training staff wonโ€™t help thingsโ€ฆ

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    Sep 5th 2014, 9:53 PM

    Least that side to side nonsense is gone.
    Delighted for stander

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    Sep 5th 2014, 10:01 PM

    Yea, because they played so much better tonight.

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    Sep 5th 2014, 10:53 PM

    When theyโ€™re filling in the latest version of the school report, the teachers might consider having somebody take a look at the teachers. I think strength and fitness and some skill work would be better than writing amateuerish comments on a report card.
    Its going to be a long school year for the customers and nobody wants to throw money away buying tickets for that rubbish.

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    Sep 5th 2014, 9:36 PM

    Much to do. Plenty of time to do it.

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    Sep 6th 2014, 12:38 AM

    At lest Pennyโ€™s teams knew how to own the ruck area

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    Mute ColmMc
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    Sep 6th 2014, 3:28 AM

    At least Pennyโ€™s teams got to two H. Cup semi finalsโ€ฆ

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    Sep 5th 2014, 9:46 PM

    Sorry have to do this, you know because sport and all that #axelout

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    Sep 6th 2014, 12:27 AM

    Honestly, what a disaster , no one at match , and no one there really cared , rugby rubbish , munster with no half backs , terrible

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    Sep 5th 2014, 10:39 PM

    I feel it was a wrong step for Munster but now that he is there at least get behind your team. This is a World Cup season and we need our players playing with confidence. Unfortunately whatโ€™s happening at Munster and ulster is a huge disaster but it can be put right. Canโ€™t see the European cup visiting ireland anytime soon but we do have a chance next sept/oct. Agree though that considering once upon a time 1.5 million people where in thomand in 78 to about. 6000 tonight. First game. Home game too. Too many fair weathers.

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    Sep 5th 2014, 11:18 PM

    Have you ever been to a game? The majority of the crowds are from around the province. How can you expect people to turn up to Limerick for a game on Friday night from Cork, Waterford or Kerry? Allied to the fact that people are cutting back on games too and saving cash for the European games. They should be holding these games in Musgrave when itโ€™s open again instead of playing in what looks like a dead crowd. Of course the crap standard doesnโ€™t help either. How Duncan Williams is a pro playerโ€ฆ.standards have dropped big time.

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    Sep 5th 2014, 9:49 PM

    Not a positive start, however Iโ€™m still optimistic.

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    Sep 5th 2014, 11:46 PM

    Foley out. Thatโ€™s all I have to say.

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    Sep 5th 2014, 10:58 PM

    Very disappointed with ruck efficiency, especially clean out and ball presentation. In Williams defence he got a lot of messy slow ball. Some of the back play looked good. Worrying out muscled up front.

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    Sep 5th 2014, 11:16 PM

    To be fair a hooker on a training contract, a 2nd choice prop. A debutant back rower. Was never going to be easy.

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    Sep 5th 2014, 9:59 PM

    To put it into context this is nowhere near the worst performance ive seen. There were a few positives out there tonight.

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    Sep 5th 2014, 10:06 PM

    Especially losing to a team that had 14 men for 20 minutes and conceding a try during on of those cards

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    Sep 5th 2014, 10:03 PM

    Pro 12 is a training ground for Heineken cup โ€“ glorified friendlies

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    Sep 6th 2014, 12:52 AM

    Watch Glasgow and leinster tomorrow night and youโ€™ll see its not glorified friendlies at all, two of the best teams in the competition. Donโ€™t know why munster had such a bad team out tonight albeit leinster and Glasgow arenโ€™t at full strength but the teams they each will put out Is a lot better quality than what was on show tonight without taking anything away from a great result for Edinburgh.

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    Sep 6th 2014, 1:28 AM

    Thought The Hino was consigned to history???

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    Sep 6th 2014, 9:08 PM

    Leinster lost as well โ€“ results that are unthinkable in the Heineken cup happen regularly in the pro am 12 โ€“ how many scots or Welsh sides get to the last 8 of the h cup?

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    Sep 6th 2014, 8:25 AM

    Murray, you had an article a few days ago describing how Munster intended to increase their attendances by having family zones outside the stadium. Thatโ€™s fine and all, but ultimately if what goes on on the pitch is rubbish then thatโ€™s where weโ€™ll lose fans. There was a decent attendance there last night but I wonder how many fans will think twice about coming next time after viewing that error ridden and disjointed performance?
    Also, Duncan Williams should not be a professional rugby player.

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    Sep 6th 2014, 3:39 AM

    Foley you need an out half ASAP and stop playing players out of position. It looked like tonight youโ€™re not interested in the pro 12 and experimenting

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    Sep 6th 2014, 6:43 AM

    Excuse me but does anyone else see a major problem in the scrum, this is where the foundation for good performances comes from and the Scottish team were lower then Munster and had total control in that area. Munster need to look more cohesive and joined together when scrummaging. My u14 second team could have held their own against that pack in the scrum last night.

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    Sep 6th 2014, 6:01 AM

    It looked a lot like many Irish representative teams over the decades, trying to do flash stuff but it comes apart because somebody canโ€™t pass two yards.

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    Sep 6th 2014, 10:54 AM

    All round not good enough but why is Duncan Williams there? He is useless. Wat good is a scrum half that canโ€™t pass the fn ball. Itโ€™s a disgrace that he is in the squad, he is not up to the standard and I canโ€™t see him getting any better. Fn joke

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    Sep 6th 2014, 11:30 AM

    Commercial and politcal naivety by axel. 1ST match with new management team at home ,supporters would want to see best available players. Subject to irfu guidelines. with solid experience and continuity to give us our best options for a win .. so a mediocre team is announced with newbies. No wonder attendance was low. That shows lack of respect to supporters and opposition. No surprise that our arse was handed back to us by Edinburgh.
    Its essential to rotate and develop players but just not on the first match after such a major change. Axel and the old farts in the boardroom need to remember that munster only exists through its supporter base and last night needed to refect that else fringe support will drift and cash and sponsors will shrink . Its a new world lads, ppl initiated hc demise saw the end of any pretence around old values . This is business. the customer is king Strike 1.

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