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Few people saw Donegal winning as comfortably as they did yesterday. James Crombie/INPHO

Johnny Doyle column: The bookies don't normally get it so wrong

Our columnist holds his hands up and admits he never saw a Donegal win coming and heaps praise on a resurgent Kieran Donaghy.

THERE’S NO DOUBT the championship came alive this weekend and, to be honest, football probably needed two games like that.

We’re always being compared to how great hurling is, edge of your seat and all that but Saturday and Sunday had plenty of drama and people soon forgot all the talk of venue choice and disrespect to the players.

For me, there’s no doubt we saw the four best teams in the country and I know there’ll be one or two who’d like to say they’ll be able to compete but they are the top four and the manner in which they went about their business was incredible, they all deserve huge credit.

It was so great to see as a football fan, the fact they went for it in the manner they did, body on the line, win at all costs. You see the lads like Aidan O’Shea going off and saying ‘stitch me up and get me back on’, you have to admire that.

The one disappointment for Mayo is they fell into the same trap as they did in the first game, getting into a lead and not kicking on. In fairness to them, they hadn’t tended to do it in semi-finals before but I don’t know why it does seem to happen to them at times.

Is it just a lack of killer instinct? It’s very hard to put your finger on it. One thing’s for sure, nobody will have examined what it is that’s lacking more than the players and James Horan but that’s the nature of sport, hard luck stories and what you’ve done for the last five years, doesn’t mean you’re entitled to win the next one.

Part of me thinks that James leaving might be the best move for both parties. He’s an awfully tough act to follow but sometimes a manager can come in and reap the reward of what James has done because there’s no doubt they’re at a different level now to when he took over.

It all depends on the calibre of manager you get in though.  The players will demand someone who is organisationally excellent and who prepares everything at the highest level possible. One thing’s for sure though, the players will know if any new person is bluffing.

For the selection committee, there’s going to be an awful lot of things to tick off to ensure they get the right guy so it will be an interesting to watch over the autumn.

Kieran Donaghy celebrates after the final whistle Star celebrates on the final whistle. Cathal Noonan / INPHO Cathal Noonan / INPHO / INPHO

From a Kerry point of view it’s been amazing to watch Kieran Donaghy’s return to form. There was no talk of Star at any stage in the championship until the first game with Mayo and you just assumed he was injured or out of form and perhaps he wasn’t the player we once knew.

That happens to lots of players, lots of very good players, so it wouldn’t be any slight on Kieran if the same thing had happend him given his injury record.

But, in the form he was in on Saturday evening, he’s virtually unplayable. Every single ball that came his way, he made something happen. It’s a great credit to Kieran and the Kerry management team for getting him back to this level.

Of course, I can’t talk about the replay without mentioning the performance of referee Cormac Reilly. In fairness to Cormac he’s probably got a fair bit of criticism over the last few days and I don’t want to dwell on it too much.

That said, the one thing that drove me mad as a player was inconsistency from referees. If you knew you had to work hard and take a battering to win a free, you didn’t like it but you did it. Likewise, if you knew a referee was giving soft frees, you made sure he knew when you’d been fouled.

But when you can’t tell what a referee is going to do, it drives you mad and I think Kerry benefited from a couple of frees that Mayo didn’t get, especially later on.

That doesn’t matter if a team wins by five or six points but in a tight game like Saturday’s it has a big impact.

That said, if you go back over a game and analyse every free kick, mistakes and incorrect decisions normally balance out and in defence of Cormac he has a tough job and doesn’t have the benefit of replays that you or I would have.

I do think refereeing has to be looked at but the one thing about GAA, something we pride ourselves on, is that if you bring in a rule at senior inter-county level to benefit the game, it should also have a positive impact at U10 club level. Is two referees, as has been suggested in some quarters, really feasible in that regard? I’m not so sure.

The bookies don’t normally get it that wrong

I’ll hold my hands up and say I didn’t think Donegal would beat Dublin and I don’t know anybody who said Donegal would win. Even the Donegal people I spoke to in the build up to the game said they didn’t see that result happening.

The bookies don’t normally get it as wrong as they did on Sunday.

I did think they could ask questions of the defending champions because they’re physical and Jim McGuinness is known for his tactics and game-plans but a plan is only as good as the result it produces. If it works you’re a genius, if not, you’re a fool.

Bringing on Christy Toye is one plan that worked for Donegal. He has that bit of experience, got himself onto a lot of ball and made sure he won a lot of ball. He has such a wise old head though and when he had possession he didn’t take it into tackles and instead shipped it to someone who was free.

And there were a lot of free players after he came on. Once Donegal got going they were like an unstoppable juggernaut; they were like men possessed.

They really beat Dublin at their own game to be honest. A lot of counties, when they get four or five points up, they try to protect that lead. Dublin don’t, they try beat you by 20. That’s what Donegal were like yesterday.

At one stage I remember Bernard Brogan got a ball in the corner and four Donegal lads were around him but then Christy Toye came across to hunt him down as well just so he he didn’t have a sniff of reducing their lead.

And, do you know what, it takes every single player on the panel to buy into that kind of game-plan and it’s a huge credit to Jim that he has built up this inner belief in the Donegal players. It’s so easy to talk about being part of a team but it’s so much harder to get the players who aren’t being handed a jersey every week to actually believe that.

Ryan McHugh celebrates at the end of the game Ryan McHugh announced himself on the national stage yesterday. Donall Farmer / INPHO Donall Farmer / INPHO / INPHO

Yesterday we also got a huge performance from Ryan McHugh. There wasn’t too much about him coming into the game so I guess it’s a bit like Shane O’Donnell last year for Clare. Ryan really used yesterday as a platform to announce himself on the national stage.

And that also comes down to Jim McGuinness because he knows you need huge leaders all over the field to set examples for the younger lads like McHugh and allow them to express themselves.

As for Dublin, it would annoy you talking to people and they’d be complaining about Jim Gavin’s men being over-hyped and looking at winning All-Ireland’s five years from now. That’s a load of rubbish. As a player you don’t look beyond the next game and Dublin are the same.

The only worry you would have would be the younger players maybe would start to believe some of their positive press but look, at the end of the day, the Dublin lads are made out of the same stuff as everyone else and 15 lads can only take the field at the time and you’ve no God given right to win anything. They know that now.

That’s the great thing about sport though, anything can happen. If there were any guarantees I wouldn’t be writing this article!

There’s a fair chance Dublin will be back, they are a brilliant team but they were beaten by a better team on the day. It’s still up to everyone else to come up to that level, as Donegal proved you can do yesterday.

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    Sep 1st 2014, 5:24 PM

    A super weekend of GAA heartbreaking on Hill 16 see my team defeated, but the craic with Donegal crowd after was excellent.

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    Sep 1st 2014, 7:03 PM

    Any Dubliners we met were v gracious and wished us luck in the final. Such a colourful occasion.

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    Sep 1st 2014, 5:42 PM

    Lots of humble pie eaten since yesterday (that includes myself), great game super performance from DnaG.

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    Sep 1st 2014, 5:20 PM

    I got on Donegal @ 7/1 far too good a price to turn down for a semi final, softens the blow a little collecting €160 from Uncle Paddy this morn.

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    Sep 1st 2014, 5:23 PM

    It was a great bet I seen it 7/1 earlier on I the week but I stupidly let county loyalty blind me,great price great bet enjoy your winnings and don’t give them back to paddy

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    Sep 1st 2014, 6:04 PM

    An even better bet was Donegal to be ahead at half time and to go on and win @ 10/1 ! Couldn’t say no to that… And even Ryan Mc Hugh to get young player of the year going into the Armagh match at 16/1 …

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    Sep 1st 2014, 6:59 PM

    The bookies didn’t get it wrong . They are after pocketing a bagful of punters money.

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    Sep 1st 2014, 7:01 PM

    I got the same deal. Put my money where my mouth is. I could see donegal beating Dublin – just because the didn’t look great in ulster they were still very controlling and they know that you need to peak this time of year.
    It just goes to show the media coverage is not very balanced and insightful.
    Spillane in particular has been wrong about this Donegal on so many occasions.
    McGuinness is a professional whereas Spillane was an amateur who has not managed at the highest level.
    There is also a lack of balance on RTE with Brolly and Spillane both forwards and are not objective.

    Looking forward to the final – should be a cracker.

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    Sep 1st 2014, 9:29 PM

    I had a double on the minors and seniors….worked out at 20-1…..easy money!…:)

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    Sep 1st 2014, 6:57 PM

    Gambling is for mugs

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    Sep 1st 2014, 5:41 PM

    The bookies in Ireland aren’t the smartest though! Dublin had not been tested before yesterday and they must have forgotten that Donegal had won the all-Ireland two years ago! Talk about over- hyped and overrated! Actually looking forward to the final now!

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    Sep 1st 2014, 5:57 PM

    Over hyped and over rated ? Rubbish , Dublin have won two of the last three all Ireland’s , two division one titles in a row and nine of the last ten Leinster championships. They were beaten by a better team on the day, just like Donegal were last year by Mayo, and will be back next year stronger for the experience.

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    Sep 1st 2014, 5:59 PM

    I’d say they are smart enough – just a numbers game. The price was wide because so little money was going on Donegal. For every big win on Donegal there will have been more than 7 times the money on Dublin. Bookies generally prefer when the favourite doesn’t win.

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    Sep 1st 2014, 7:37 PM

    Yes overrated to the extent that they were 1-10! That is what I meant. That would be the odds you would usually see if the all blacks were playing Ireland!

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    Sep 1st 2014, 7:40 PM

    They bate nobody in Leinster and when Donegal put it up to them, they were like headless chickens !

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    Sep 1st 2014, 11:09 PM

    @flash headless chickens is a bit much now,they were outclassed on the day but there’s allways next year

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    Sep 1st 2014, 5:48 PM

    I got 7/1 2 weeks ago and 14/1 Donegal (-2). My confidence was purely based on Dublin’s lack of tough matches. Donegal were always going to put it up to them.

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    Sep 1st 2014, 6:33 PM

    No you didn’t michael , you were on here yesterday saying Dublin by at least 10

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    Sep 1st 2014, 6:45 PM

    If that’s true Michael you are a disgrace

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    Sep 1st 2014, 7:07 PM

    Again it’s time to do away with the provincials and do a champs league style setup of 8 groups of 4. Sees in is set by position in league.
    At the moment the Connaught, Munster and Leinster titles mean next to nothing to their respective champions as they come too easy.
    Dublin were not tested until yesterday and this is what resulted.
    The third and fourth teams go into another competition so so-called weaker counties can still have a chance of winning something.

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    Sep 1st 2014, 7:55 PM

    There’s 33 teams in the football championship.

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    Sep 1st 2014, 11:02 PM

    You risk turning the championship into the league with groups and all that, the same 4 to 6 teams will end up in the hunt anyway…if it’s not broke don’t fix it. In my opinion it’s fine as it is!

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    Sep 2nd 2014, 1:51 PM

    “… you’ve no God given right to win anything. They know that now.”

    I’m fairly certain Dublin always knew that! Many of the older players were involved pre-2011, when it seemed like we would never win a senior championship.

    Many of the younger players have come through the ranks and, although there has been underage success, Dublin haven’t absolutely dominated underage, as some have suggested.

    It’s harsh to suggest that Dublin believe they have a god-given right to win All-Irelands. We’re hardly Kerry!! 3 in twenty years tells its own tale.

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