1. Disgraceful booing of Ireland players taking the knee
AS REFRESHING as it was to see a packed crowd at a football match, the inexplicable booing of Irish players for taking the knee was enough to make you long for the days of empty stadiums again.
“It’s a difficult time for everyone,” said Shane Duffy afterwards. “We have our stances on it and we decided as a nation that we were going to do it, and we stand by that. Everyone’s got their opinions and hopefully, we made the right choice.”
Stephen Kenny was stronger in his condemnation of those who chose to boo: “I think it’s a very important message. The fact it was booed was incomprehensible, really.
“It must be damaging for Hungary, with the Euros in Hungary. It’s disappointing and it doesn’t reflect well on Hungary and the Hungarian support. Our players wanted to do it, it’s an important stance and I commend them for taking that stance.”
Of course, everyone is entitled to an opinion and not everyone takes the knee. The Hungarian players opted instead to point to the words ‘respect’ on their badge, while Wilfried Zaha earlier this year became the first Premier League player to refrain from partaking in the gesture.
“There is no right or wrong decision, but for me personally, I feel kneeling has just become a part of the pre-match routine and at the moment it doesn’t matter whether we kneel or stand, some of us continue to receive abuse,” the Crystal Palace star explained.
Zaha’s stance is an understandable one and there is a legitimate argument for not taking the knee.
However, just as those who opt-out should be shown respect, equally players who partake in the gesture deserve understanding rather than booing.
The way most reasonable people interpret taking a knee is as a gesture of solidarity with black people who have suffered endless abuse and as a show of support for equality in society.
The fact that a considerable portion of a crowd would be so perturbed by this action that they would choose to aggressively jeer is perhaps the best illustration of why those who believe in the gesture need to persist with it.
If the action had lost all its relevance and impact, as some have suggested, then people surely wouldn’t care enough to boo.
More than anything, taking the knee creates conversations about issues such as racism, which sadly remains deeply ingrained in football, as we have been continually reminded in recent months.
As Kenny suggested afterwards, the crowd’s behaviour reflects poorly on Hungary while issues with English crowds have been well documented of late too.
With the Euros around the corner, it would be naïve not to expect further problems down the line, so it’s a saga that is unfortunately unlikely to end anytime soon.
2. The pros and cons of Kenny’s tactical flexibility
Having played four at the back against Andorra, Stephen Kenny opted for a three-man defence against Hungary on Tuesday night.
It is not the first time he has switched between the two — in the early days of his Ireland reign, he consistently opted for a four, before switching to a three ahead of the World Cup qualifiers last March.
Kenny explained at his press conference on Monday that he wanted his players to comfortably be able to change between the two, as which system he favoured would depend on the personnel available to him.
There were some positives to the formation. Ireland looked well organised off the ball, defending solidly and reducing their opponents largely to half chances.
Down the other end, though, the Boys in Green were less impressive. They were pinned back into their own half for large portions of the game and they struggled when trying to play out from the back.
Troy Parrott and Jason Knight, so impressive against Andorra, were not as effective on Tuesday, partially due to the superior nature of the opposition, of course.
Parrott, along with his partner in attack Adam Idah, struggled to really influence the game and looked a little isolated at times.
Knight, meanwhile, was not as involved as he would have liked in an attacking midfield role.
It was only after the system was altered in the second half and the Derby youngster moved to the right-hand side that he began to have a bigger impact.
It’s now three matches unbeaten for Kenny’s side, and so he will take positives from this international window, but as was evident amid last night’s flawed performance, Ireland remain a work in progress and improvements must be made ahead of the crucial World Cup qualifiers in September.
3. A good night for Ireland’s goalkeepers
The race for Ireland’s goalkeeping jersey is probably as open as it’s been in a very long time.
For many years, Darren Randolph was the unquestioned number one, and before him, Shay Given had a firm stranglehold on the jersey for well over a decade.
Yet even if Randolph is fit come September, there is no guarantee he will be selected, with Kenny refusing to definitively identify a number one when asked the question on Monday.
Though the 34-year-old Bray native has seldom let Ireland down in the past, the fact that he is not playing regularly at West Ham could work against him.
Of course, the same could be said of all the goalkeepers at Kenny’s disposal. Caoimhín Kelleher and Mark Travers are both second-choice at Liverpool and Bournemouth respectively.
Gavin Bazunu, meanwhile, made 35 appearances in all competitions this season, though he also fell out of favour towards the end of a loan spell at Rochdale, with his last appearance in League One coming on 2 April.
Kelleher replaced Bazunu at half-time for his senior international debut on Tuesday, and the Liverpool youngster is a player Kenny knows well, having capped him 10 times at U21 level.
Bazunu, though, has been very impressive, starting the last four consecutive Ireland matches, and unless Kelleher can have a really impressive start to next season, you would suspect it will come down to a battle between the Man City youngster and Randolph if both are available in September.
4. A landmark occasion for the first African-born player to represent Ireland
There was a special moment in the 88th-minute of Tuesday’s encounter.
Chiedozie Ogbene replaced Jason Knight for his international debut.
Players with an African heritage, such as Michael Obafemi and Gavin Bazunu, have represented Ireland previously, but Ogbene is the first African-born player to line out for the Boys in Green at senior level.
It’s an important landmark and an undoubtedly inspiring moment in particular for members of the African community in Ireland.
There have been other African-born players who lined out at underage level and helped pave the way for the success of future generations.
A little over 17 years ago, Emeka Onwubiko became the first Nigerian to represent Ireland at underage level, after an influx of African communities into the country in the early 2000s.
And as Onwubiko told The42 earlier this year, the increased prominence of players from different backgrounds and experiences is bound to have a positive effect on the national team.
“The cultures are different and it can help the national team,” he said. “England have a lot of black players, as do Germany and France. Variety is important if you want to make a nice dish. The coaching needs not just an Irish mentality, you need a coach with other ideas. You need to be open and let people try things.”
Kenny certainly is an adventurous coach who is patently willing to give young players a chance, and though it was only a brief cameo, Ogbene, a 24-year-old former Cork City and Limerick player now on the books at Rotherham, made enough of an impression to suggest there could be much more to come from him at international level.
– First published 00.16, 9 June
Not sure if I would call the booing of the knee disgraceful. As Kevin Doyle said in the studio, they are adults and they are old and mature enough to make a decision for themselves. And it’s not that they were racist in any way, they had their own way of supporting anti racism by pointing at the respect badge on their shirt.
@Eoin Fitzgerald: it took you that long to write that bucket of *****.
There are many ways to respect it, but their booing and disrespect shows them up for what they are. Nazi salutes going on in the background and clearly seen on the tv too
@Eoin Fitzgerald: it wasn’t the Hungarian players booing, it was the fans. They didn’t even point at a badge, many made Nazi salutes. If UEFA have any balls they’d remove Hungary as a host nation.
@TheHospitalPass: what I found interesting was that we didn’t take the v Andorra but last night we did. Wonder what the thinking behind that was.
**didn’t take the knee
@Eoin Fitzgerald: we did take the knee against Andorra. Not getting much right today are we….
@Teddy Bear: go to the RTEsoccer page on twitter and watch Adam Idah’s interview. You will hear that both Tony O’D and and Adam said that they didn’t take the knee v Andorra and they did take it last night.
@Eoin Fitzgerald: those that boo at anyone taking the knee are the reason why they take to their knee.
George Floyd was murdered just over 1 year ago. Before that, athletes taking the knee was rare. Now it is very much part of the pre game drama. But not everywhere. Far from it. It has been adopted in North America and parts of Europe and some places elsewhere. There is a full round of AFC World Cup qualifiers on this week and I’d be surprised if there is any knee taking despite the narrative that this has swept across the globe. My point is, 12 months ago this was almost unheard of. Now we have adpoted it and we’re calling out others for not following what we do. Should the Hungarians or anyone else boo? No. But it is ridiculous to go around passing judgment on others for behaving in a way we wouldn’t for something that didn’t happen 12 months ago.
@2thFairy: they are absolutely right to boo, and that doesn’t mean I’m endorsing any neo-Nazi saluting that was going on in the stands. Promoting a dubious political message in entertainment or sport is always off-putting but taking the knee is controversial in its own right. It was started by Colin Kaepernick in the NFL as a protest against the American national anthem and spread to groups of whites across the US abasing themselves before blacks, in some kind of faux atonement. Be a decent person, treat all people according to their character, but ffs don’t degrade yourself in the process.
@Squarepeg01: you are why they take the knee. Every comment you make supports racism. I applaud any peaceful protest that supports equality and highlights what is wrong in this world. It doesn’t matter if it’s in a park, your own front room or a football pitch. The message is about kindness. Helping people who are treated less favourably than themselves.
@2thFairy: ha! Well your comment is hardly about kindness. You’ve effectively called me an enabler of racism simply by finding the kind of political theatre that warms your cockles distasteful. If you want to help people who are treated less favourably than yourself, go out and help them. Stop applauding and go out and do something. But don’t turn sport into a canvass for your politics and stop pretending you are more virtuous than people you don’t share your particular view of things.
@Squarepeg01: it appears I’ve rattled your cage. I do my bit, albeit a very tiny bit in the greater scheme of things, so don’t be too judgmental of my virtue. I detest racism in all forms and will always speak out against it. Society is very angry at the moment and hatred is on the increase so why anyone would want to start a crusade to actually try and prevent a very short, peaceful visual is beyond comprehension.
@Squarepeg01: applauding bad, booing good? That you think Kaepernick was protesting the national anthem tells us all enough about where you’re coming from without even looking at the “abasing” comment.
@EM: the background is the radical left’s attempt to downplay the ideals of the Declaration of Independence, and instead portray 1619 as the true founding of America when slaves were first brought to the New World and oppressed from then until today. This, in an attempt to spin the history of the West in general and the US in particular as uniquely evil civilisations, when the fact is, in spite of their flaws, they still offer more freedom and opportunity than any civilisations in history. I can only guess what you think Mr Karpernick’s protest was really about.
@2thFairy: ..and by the same token please don’t be so judgemental of mine. I find holier than thou antics like the one you tried on with me to be pretty low tactics that lead straight to the cancel culture that is sucking the life out of so much public debate at the moment. If you have a point to make, make it and move on. And yes, society is angry for many reasons and a lot of them are illegitimate. Black people are not being oppressed, either in Europe or the US where this whole knee-taking movement started.
@Squarepeg01: the issue is that an opposing argument these days is not considered on merit only viewed as affirming or detracting. For a point to be of value in this climate it must bolster an emotional/fashionable/profitable idealogue. If the readers ego is not bolstered the all. Substance is ignored and the usual terms of ist or phobe etc are used as trump cards.
A few overpaid footballers isnt going to stop racism.
@Munster1: actually what happened in South Africa in the 1980s indicates otherwise
@Munster1: who said it would? Hardly means they should just ignore though, does it?
@Brendan Cooney: you should really read a little about who and what actually brought an end to the SA problem. That statement you made is beyond ignorant and pretty disrespectful.
Well done to the Hungarian supporters for calling out this kneeling nonsense by overpaid, over rated virtue signalling prima donnas
@Slafella: nah, they were just being predictably racist.
@Graham Manning: nah, when everybody you disagree with is a racist, it just cheapens the term.
I thought there were positive signs in that performance. I’d of preferred Kenny to start Manning ahead of McClean. James is on his last legs for me and we need to see some nee blood out on the left. Cullen and Knight could be in that midfield for years to come. Molumby needs to progress quicker and he’s be in there as well. We are crying out for an outstanding creative player. Someone with just pure creative talent, not sure he’s out there tho. Troy was a little lost and Idah is out of his depth. Is Keano’s kid old enough to play yet :-)
@Ultimate FM: ‘Crying out’? Well cry no more, you obviously need me to send you a betamax copy of me bossing the top half of the astro for my 5-aside team. I don’t even celebrate my hatricks anymore, I’m all about the assists for me, I celebrate those with the old Sharpy Shuffle or Ravinelli! Regularly record 5 or 6 a game. Granted covid might see me return with a loss of 5 or 6 yards of pace, though I never really relied on my pace. It was more my wand of a right foot and ability to hold and shield the ball with my big hole so if anything lockdown will have aided that, I just hope I can get the socks up over my fat knees! Shoot on your address and I’ll post you a copy!
@This time its personable!: Cry no more…. Sounds like we’ve found our savior ?!
@Ultimate FM: agreed on Idah for sure.. Havent seen anything from him in a Senior green Jersey so far that would ear mark him as future #9.
@Ultimate FM: glad you talked about the match lol
Players don’t get it, the very people they wanna stop racially abusing are loving this, they see ads about racism or players taking the knee and its like fuel to the fire. To these people the world is too PC, they think the odd racial remarks online or a sexist comment about say women’s sport or players is just “banter”, so they continue to push back and rally others. You wanna stop this, hit them where it hurts, their precious teams either at club or international level. Bring in threats of stadium closures for big games, points deductions or expulsion from big tournaments, and the tune will change fast, cos other fans will have to step in them and stop these people.
@Michael Healy: how much football money comes from sweatshop based companies’ merchandise or sponsorship deals? Can a Nike backed player honestly complain about any kind of injustice without appearing hypocritical in the extreme while contributing to the very oppression they are busy complaining about. Forget taking the knee. Drop the sponsor and see what this might do.
@alan: I agree the hypocrisy is strong in football, the whine about the European super league and its money, yet the TV companies have helped divide football football even more financially, they do social media blackouts yet won’t spend even a fraction of the money on stopping online abuse as they do on stopping illegal streams to protect their billion euro investment…People can’t understand football is a business and entertainment industry before sport, so morals and the rest have gone out the window years ago
@Michael Healy: agree totally. Taking the knee brings these contradictions into sharp focus. I’d much rather people argued about this contradictions rather than about whether it is right or wrong to take the knee which, in the context you are talking about, is little more than a distraction from the real underlying problems.
@alan: ✔
Im not racist but this kneeling stuff is cringe annoying making things worse
Bazunu gets the nod over Kelleher. Seriously. I wouldn’t have thought so. Kelleher looks to me to be the real deal. He has to Ireland’s no.1 for the next few years. He is outstanding.
Until Ireland get some soccer players ( a team full of immigrants will do) that have learned how to hold onto the ball against even moderate opposition like Hungary and score the odd goal (a boring draw is not a victory) I find watching Eastenders more entertaining than watching Ireland try to play soccer.
@Richard Mccarthy: I think football in general has alot more boring matches than entertaining ones these days
A country that repeatedly elected Urban is racist as hell??? What a shock.
Thought Knight had a great 2nd half
Bit of a one sided take on the booing. Maybe the Hungarian fans just have less tolerance for B S.