THERE WAS NO doubt that Declan Kidney was going to lose his job. People would have guessed that after a poor Six Nations.
I would have personally thought the IRFU would let him finish out the terms of his contract until the end of the tour to North America this summer.
It is strange that he gets booted out but the coaching staff that he had in place for the championships is still in place.
The decision to end Kidney’s contract now leaves the door wide open to speculation. The IRFU know more than we know at present and will have held discussions about who may come in.
It may come out that he chose not to stay. There’s a lot of talk about this Sporting Directors’ role in UCC and he has to look after himself, jut like everyone else.
If it was a decision purely down to the IRFU, however, I’d have to say that they should have kept him in place until they had a new man lined up.
They could have had Kidney complete his contract and a director of rugby in place by the end of the summer. Instead, they are doing it back to front and I wouldn’t be surprised to see the coaching vacancy filled first.
Les Kiss may well be kept on as head coach if he can produce a successful tour and get the team playing well. He is the man in-situ but I can’t see him getting the role on a permanent basis.
Where to next?
People will have already taken their names out of the running though.
That’s the gamble of taking an international coaching job – once you finish up or get sacked, it is very hard to ease back into a club role.
Look at Eddie O’Sullivan. He guided Ireland to the verge of a Grand Slam and hasn’t been able to find a proper job, including his stint in America, since. I’ve said it in the past that Joe Schmidt would be my number one choice. Some coaches are coaches and couldn’t be bothered about directors, boards and other things that flow around rugby.
He wouldn’t be bothered if there was a director of rugby in place or not. Once he is in control of coaching, and everything that goes into hit, he would be happy.
Referring back to the risks of taking an international job at an early age, I think that it may rule out Conor O’Shea and Mark McCall – two men enjoying great success in England.
There is no reason why they should step up to the international plate and risk it not working.
‘I’ll do forwards, you do backs’: Kiss and Foley in Wales. (©INPHO/Dan Sheridan)
Anthony Foley is definitely one for the future. He is going to make a brilliant head coach but I think he’ll need provincial experience first.
The IRFU, much like the FAI did with Giovanni Trapattoni, are going to cast the net wide and look for a marquee signing. You have Vern Cotter, who has a year left on his Clermont contract, and Ewen McKenzie, who, I think, is making a play for the Australia job.
The Ireland job is a very high profile position and there are a few names out there that most of us have not even thought of yet.
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Great news. Now Robbie can move back to Connacht to partner up with Bundee again!
I wonder with this signing are Leinster going to free up Frawley to get some game time at fly half next season?
Classy player and it will be a great signing with Frawley now in the wider Irish squad.
But Leinster need players who will start in the big K/O games becuase that’s where the current crop are just falling short.
Our pack is incredible but lacking serious niggle. I’d like to see Leinster sign a forward who’s mean or enjoys winning ugly.
@Billy Keenan: I’m thinking that’s what Jenkins had been signed for – although he hasn’t exactly been overwhelming for Munster
@Kevin Ryan: He’s been injured most of the season so it’s hard to judge his real worth. Certainly has the physique. With a full preseason & 100% fitness we may see his true worth.
@TL55: What have you made of Jenkins in the games he has actually been fit for? General feeling I am getting from Munster fans is that he’s been pretty poor in those sporadic appearances?
Even as a Leinster fan, this is kinda baffling. But I trust the coaches know what they’re doing.
Leinster sign another Kiwi, that’s makes it 3 kiwis, 1 Samoan and 1 Saffer signed up for next season.
@Patrick O Connell: 3 Kiwis’? Two are Irish eligible. Significantly less players from outside the province than Munster, Connacht and Ulster..
@Patrick O Connell: so I’m assuming your counting JGP and Lowe as Kiwis when they are Irish internationals. The other Kiwi is Ngatai who will be used as cover when Henshaw and Ringrose will be at the World Cup. The Samoan is Ala’latoa covering for Porter and Furlong and the Saffa is Jason Jenkins who will offer second row cover for James Ryan/Ryan Baird and compensate for the loss of Toner and Dunne. Just though I’d break that down for ya.
@Simon Kerins: Munster only have 2 non Irish qualified players signed for next season, not too sure about Ulster and Connacht.
@David Lawlor: Lowe and JGP are kiwis. It was the same last season when Munster signed Jenkins, there was uproar on here by rival fans that Munster signed another Saffer even though he was replacing CJ..
@Patrick O Connell: your ability to count must really be a source of pride for you parents. Imagine in a year or two when you can multiple they will be so happy. .
@Patrick O Connell: good man Patrick hope ye have a great season again next year
@Patrick O Connell: CJ is an 8. Jenkins is a lock. He wasn’t a replacement for him. He was signed before Synman got injured as well. Other fans took issue with Munster being able to sign 4 foreign qualified players rather than the 3 that was supposed to be the limit. Especially having two players in one position blocking a pathway for an Irish qualified player to get game time. People took issue with it not because they are bitter about munster but because they want what’s best for the national team.
@Patrick O Connell: Michael Alaalatoa was born in Sydney, Australia. At least get your facts right haha
@Patrick O Connell: now name all the foreigners in the Munster squad.
@Patrick O Connell: No, they’re Irish. Otherwise capping them was a massive mistake. The only reason their signings would have been allowed is because they were able to be naturalised within three years. When Munster brought DeAllende and Snyman they were not qualified and creaming massive wages too as WC winners. Its one thing to bring these guys in and another altogether to get value from them. Your argument is weak to say the least.
@Harry O’Callaghan: well Harry, he plays for Somoa, he was born in Sydney.
@Patrick Waldron Healy: Jenkins, RG, and DDA, who is the fourth foreign player???
@Chris Mc: have ye more than 3 kiwis, 1 Somoan and 1 Saffer in the squad for next season???
@Chris Mc: Uses his fingers and toes. Any number over 20 and he’s lost.
@Patrick O Connell: you called him a somoan because he plays from somoa but he’s born in Australia, yet you call Lowe and Gibson Park kiwis but they play for Ireland. Maybe get an adult to explain to you where your logic is flawed.
@Chris Mc: he qualified via his parents to play for Somoa and considers himself Somoan. JGP and Lowe have no Irish connection and only qualified on residency rules. There is a huge difference there
@Patrick O Connell: but he was born and raised in Australia haha
@Patrick O Connell: RG Snyman, Jean Kleyn, Jason Jenkins, Damian De Allende, Declan Moore, Mike Haley, Chris Cloete, Matt Gallagher, Kenyan knox, Roman Salanoa all look pretty foreigner to me. Tadhg Beirne, Joey Carbery, Andrew Conway, Rowan Osborne all from Leinster. Chris Farrell Ulster.
@Harry O’Callaghan: Add Jeremy Loughman to that list also haha
@all: Gents don’t waste your time even reading what the original poster has to say. Just another in a long line of boring, ill informed and bewildering comments. I genuinely don’t think he even watches any rugby.
@Carmine Lorenzo: so you disagree with me. How many kiwis, staffers and Somoan/Australian players in your squad for next season???
@Patric O Connell: same no as Leinster in 22/23 and there’s three players alone from Kildare playing for Munster and several more from outside the province 12 or 13 this season (Carberry happens to be Kiwi born also) only Gallagher and Cloete leaving it reduces the number of overseas players. I don’t understand why you make that comment when Leinster by virtue of their large playing population are huge contributors to other provinces. I’m from Munster but the constant chippy commentary from people on this forum is not the most constructive.
@Patrick O Connell: At least James Lowe & Gibson-Park are contributing to the Irish squad hugely. The same can’t be said for Snyman, Kleyn, Kenkins, Cloete, De Allende, Haley, Gallagher, Moore, Knox & Salanoa. And neither will Fekitoa & Frisch next season.
@Patrick O Connell: Samoan* Learn how to spell would be your first step.
@Patrick O Connell: Chris Cloete
@Carmine Lorenzo: says the man with the fake name
@Patrick Waldron Healy: Chris Clote is Irish qualified so as the rest of the posters say he is not classified as a foreigner.
@Harry O’Callaghan: I don’t know why ye are all getting excited, Leinster have 3 Kiwis, 1 Saffer and a Somoan, Munster have3 saffers 1 USA and 1 kiwi, not sure about the other provinces. This season proved irish provinces need imports to compete, Leinster included.
@Patrick O Connell: Munster need less imports and more homegrown players.
Delighted with the news. A new experienced perspective is a huge bonus for Leinster
That’s a really astute signing. Would love another loosehead now.
Frawley will be delighted.
Centre is a position we are light after henshaw and ringrose. My only concern is these type of signings don’t always work out for leinster.
@Chris Mc: agree totally , it seems good on paper , he’s a fantastic athlete and hope he makes a name for himself here . Ben teo the most recent oversees centre to be made look pretty average. I’m sure Leo etc know what they’re doing , maybe there will be another signing up front soon .
@Michael Uzice: Zane K, tuquiri, tomane to name a few
@Michael Uzice: Ben te’o was good for when he played for Leinster. He played 51 times and scored 6 tries. Not bad for someone who only played for 2 years.
Oli jager would be a great signing!
Get him back to Ireland
don’t get this i won’t lie. With both byrnes renewing there contracts i can’t see Frawley playing 10 due to having 4 senior out halves then that’s a lot of minutes to juggle. However this is going to block an irish player in frawley no? Like he will get caps on this tour and then not bench Europe next year? Seems odd to me can’t lie. Like he’s a quality player sure but doesn’t actually help leinsters starting team at all
@Dara: frawley while delighted for him to be in the Irish set up will go back to preseason at leinster with Ross Byrne working all summer with the leinster coaches and this lad along with osbourne playing 12 and 13 and frawley could be squeezed out.
Saying that farrell might but him in at 10. As joey and Harry are not at the races or maybe should be at the races. It’s either going to be a make or break summer for him.
Seems like another odd centre signing. Does this mean they have given up on the Harry Byrne experiment at Centre. Ngatai won’t even start in big games and his lack of positional flexibility means he probably won’t make the 23 either.
Another all black time to change the club colours
Well do leinster. Not sure he is better then what ye already have
Scored 2 tries in the challenge cup final against toulon. If he is a all black international he must be a great player. Look forward to seeing his experience with the team