THE GAA’S RULING Central Council will meet on Saturday to finally decide on the structures of next year’s Allianz Hurling League.
A decision was supposed to be made more than a month ago, but a new proposal was put on the table at the 11th hour so the vote was postponed in order to allow time for reflection.
The top flight of the League this year was made up of 12 teams divided up between Division 1A and Division 1B, with what were judged the strongest six teams in 1A.
This proved unpopular with the 1B teams and following Cork’s relegation this year and Limerick’s continued failure to win promotion to 1A the GAA decided to propose change. On Saturday Central Council will meet at Croke Park and there are four options to chose from. One of them will be picked and implemented in next year’s League.
Here TheScore.ie takes you through what’s on the table plus the pros and cons of each model.
PROPOSAL 1 - Status Quo
The Hurling League continues as it was — the six top teams in Division 1A , the next six in 1B and so on down the table. The winner of the Division 1B final is promoted and goes through to the Division 1 semi-finals along with the top three teams in 1A.
Division 1A: Clare, Dublin, Galway, Kilkenny, Tipperary, Waterford
Division 1B: Antrim, Carlow, Cork, Offaly, Limerick, Wexford
Pros – The League is a sprint with five played off in a compressed time-frame; all of the top teams are (supposedly) grouped together
Cons – Teams only get five matches meaning managers don’t have time to experiment and revenue is reduced due to smaller number of home games; Cork and Limerick will be excluded from the elite; only one promotion place
PROPOSAL 2 – Six and Eight
This was the model put forward by Croke Park to the last Central Council meeting, though in the end it was never voted upon. It would see an eight team Division 1A and six in 1B. The top three teams in 1A would be joined in the semi-finals by the 1B winners, who are also promoted. The bottom team in 1A is relegated with the second bottom team meeting the loser of the 1B final in a promotion/relegation play-off.
Division 1A: Clare, Cork, Dublin, Galway, Kilkenny, Limerick, Tipperary, Waterford
Division 1B: Antrim, Carlow, Laois, Offaly, Westmeath, Wexford
Pros – The top eight teams in the country would be grouped together, ensuring quality competition; each team guaranteed seven games, maximising the exposure hurling gets
Cons – Wexford and Offaly argue that they remain excluded from the elite which hampers their progress and allows the top teams to pull further clear of second level counties; Wexford and Offaly virtually guaranteed to be in the final
PROPOSAL 3 – The Crossover
The top 12 counties are split into seeds – A, B and C. Two A Seed teams are put together in a six-team group with two B Seeds and two C Seeds. This will form Section I and the same process will make up Section II.
Each team plays the other counties in their group, giving them five games. They then play two teams that share the same seeding in the opposite section, making for a seven-game regular season. The top two teams in each section make the semi-finals, the bottom in each play-off for relegation.
This proposal was put forward by Michael Burns of the National Fixture Planning Committee.
Seed A: Galway, Kilkenny, Tipperary, Waterford
Seed B: Clare, Cork, Dublin, Limerick
Seed C: Antrim, Offaly, Laois, Wexford
Section I (sample): Galway, Kilkenny, Clare, Cork, Antrim, Offlay
Section II (sample): Tipperary, Waterford, Dublin, Limerick, Laois, Wexford
Pros – all of the top teams are included, developing counties are given entry and assured games at their own level; semi-final and relegation structures are simple; it seems to keep everyone happy
Cons – it’s complicated; the likes of Laois and Antrim are likely to get several heavy beatings
PROPOSAL 4 – Let Us In!
Carlow and Westmeath are annoyed that they are allowed to play in the Liam MacCarthy Cup (the senior All-Ireland), but aren’t deemed good enough for Division 1. Their proposal is to be included in Division 1, meaning two sections of seven teams each. Each section would be made up of two Seed A teams, two Seed B teams and three Seed B teams. All of the rest of the structures would remain the same as Michael Burns’ proposal outlined above.
Pros - see Proposal 3
Cons – too many weak teams in the top flight leading to lop-sided matches; it is likely to be ruled out of order by Central Council because their rules state that the League has to be played from start to finish inside nine weekends – this proposal would require eleven weekends unless midweek games were played and this is deemed impractical.
Well instead of paying a premium for 8-9 squad players with low wages why don’t you and the committee start paying top dollar for 2-3 stars that will lift the team and actually win something?
Look at Barcelona 2-6 years ago, the best team ever appearantly. Their bench was barely better than ours is. Infact alot of the time they had kids on it. But their first team….. Same with the United team that one 3 in a row. Even Chelsea and man city’s benches aren’t that great. Meanwhile ourselves and Tottenham have fairly decent benches! But the thing is we only have a fairly decent first 11 aswell…
The fact they were all on drugs helped them not get injured though.
Liverpool are not a big club so why would big names want to go there.pity there suporters cant understand it though!!
Before This season started big names should have wanted to come. Finished second and in the champions league we should have been able to attract bigger names than Lovren and Rickie Lambert.
Liverpool are one of the most supported clubs in the world.
So are celtic but i dont see big names wanting to go there!
Ya but Eoin Liverpool can offer United City arsenal Everton Chelsea Spurs each week Celtic can offer motherwell Aberdeen and so on that’s the difference. People claiming Liverpool are no longer a big have not got a clue. A big club in my eyes is a club that has a massive fan base eg: United Arsenal Madrid Barca and so on. Leeds are still a big club they have a draw towards them. I have never seen so many articles on one club especially on theScore then I have on Liverpool. It’s Liverpool this Rodgers that , the only club that comes near is United. What about Leicester Hull Man City Chelsea Newcastle and so on ? Reason being they are not massive clubs (no disrespect) but if they were we’d all know more about them because there’d be articles on them left right and centre.
its down to money.
Because your young eoin you wouldn’t remember for 27 years Manchester Utd only won a couple of fa cups..during that time they were still a big club..the same as liverpool are a big club today..
It’s down to location as well. It’s an issue for city, Liverpool and United. Top players want to go to London, look at hazard, Costa, Cesc and even Erickson.
Let me guess eoin your a utd fan ? Typical utd fan #clueless&obsessed
And deluded
You weren’t complaining last year when every article was about moyes. Liverpool worst squad out if the supposedly big teams in England smallest ground lowest wage bill average manager who was sacked by reading. Leave it out Liverpool aren’t relevant in modern European football note the word modern. Three good seasons in last 25 still no league title in modern football its real barca psg city chelsea united bayern end of. Go back and buy rickie Lamberts brother.
So before United won their first title in 26 years they weren’t relevant no ? Even before they did I still regarded them as a big club and Liverpools chief nemesis.
Last year must have been awful for you Waka….
Or you could just attract them by being a big club look at di maria falcao mata rooney rvp van nistelrooy veron vidic roy keane. Location is not relevant if you are relevant they will go.
You mean if you pay them bags of cash to go there…… It’s well documented that Di Maria wanted to stay at Madrid and United was the only club who would pay the 65 million for him.
What age are you john lpools chief nemises through 70s and 80s was leeds villa and forest united chief nemises through 90s and 00s were arsenal chelsea and city. Liverpool aren’t relevant end of story that is the real reason they csnt attract the players. Sanchez and shaqiri would have went to united if offered. Noy relevant
At this stage there’s no point talking to you lad. For your sanity Liverpool aren’t a big club but on that basis neither are United or Leeds or Villa. When I say nemesis I mean you always wanted to beat United no matter their position like United with the Pool a few years back. It’s the two fixtures every year you look out for. You come across as the type of fella who’d take great fun in a club that goes to the wall a bit like Leeds nearly packed up. Don’t be holding your breath on Liverpool pal they’ll be around for another while yet to upset you.
Liverpool were offering shaqiri more money over a million more then inter were to offer him,and were prepared to off munich more money,the player wanted inter so was let go there.Simple fact is ,top players are not interested in going to liverpool any more
Luke stay quiet di maria was being touted all over Europe all summer he didn’t have to leave but he did. Was it because of money of course it was thats why united are relevant they pay the big bucks as do real barca psg city chelsea and bayern wheras you won’t give sterling a 120 grand. United have the biggest shirt deal in football history coming this summer if they get champions league football which they will. You have Lambert we have rvp you have coutinho we have di Maria you have Henderson we have rooney it goes on. Get over it keep dreaming about the 80s and 05. The teams that matter are all that matters.
Well it can hardly be said they are interested in going to inter either, probably the only major club in Europe on a worse run than Liverpool.
He went there because Switzerland is just across the border.
Hard yaka you have hit the nail on the head there. Liverpool are becoming less relevant and this process has been going on for a while however painful it is for their fans to hear it. The games against united hark back to a different time
Liverpool should be selling the dream to the big stars, the romance, chance to be a real legend, at an historical club. Will not happen with Rodgers…. You need a big manager to attract. You need to develop the ground, which thankfully is happening, finally. Worldwide support, Liverpool are top ten, but for too long they were run terribly. Right now, many big players are like Rockstars, with rockstar babes/wives….. Many things need to change for Liverpool…
You must be about twelve. Typical moron united fan that thinks football was invented in 1993.
Getting the excuses in earlier eh Brendan?
Think pool need to careful they are not on a really slippery slope.
@John Hayes:
The reason Liverpool get so much press is because of the amount of interviews Rodgers feels the need to do. If he spent less time talking about how big Liverpool are,and their history he might actually make his own squad good,and make his own history. He loves the sound of his own voice and would rather talk about great players than actually trying to recruit them. Players want to work for successful manager,and play in front of big crowds every week,and Liverpool can’t offer either at the moment.
The reason they get so much press is because they are one of the most followed and successful clubs in the world.
These quotes are coming from press conferences that he is obliged to give. Same so any other manager.
I didn’t know Rodgers was ringing the press and asking for interviews John McCann ……..let it with me.
Wakawakawakawakawaka !!
@colin:
Tell me 1 thing I said in my comment that was true. The only real fact I statedwas that he has spent over £200m and hasn’t got 1 superstar to show for it? Is this not true? whats there to like about Rodgers,his smugness will be his downfall. The best thing Rodgers has purchased at Liverpool is his new teeth!!!
*wasn’t
” the amount of interviews Rodgers feels the need to do”
That’s the point I was arguing, I didn’t dispute what he has spent, although it’s a transfer committee that makes the decisions in Liverpool not just Rodgers but he will take the flack for it. Liverpool’s scouting network also has to be questioned as well as the owners philosophy on buying young potential to nurture rather then proven talent. And when they have tried they didn’t want to go ( Sanchez)
And he wont be gone by the end of the season.
Is Rogers normally that sweaty looking? Could sail a boat across his forehead. Christ!
@John Hayes & Colin McNamara:
Every day there is something in the press with Rodgers,not just on his Friday pre-match press conference. He is an ego-maniac. He is either having to defend his piss poor signings,his players wanting out,his players behaviour or being rejected by yet another half decent player. With the money he has spent you would think Liverpool would have a team full of superstars,over £215m since he took over,and who have they got to show for it,not 1 world class player,and for any Liverpool fan to say it’s about money is lies because Suarez was on £200,000+ a week. Gerrard was one of the first players to earn over £150,000 in England. He won’t spend money this window because he isn’t trusted with it,he’ll be gone before the end of the season.
Press conferences, pre match and post match. That’s where these quotes are coming from. Find me an interview that he’s given outside of press conferences in the last month apart from the LFC website which he is, again, obliged to do. And EVERY manager in the premier league is an ego-maniac, it’s one of the requirements of the job. You obviously have a problem with Rodgers, and probably with Liverpool, which you are entitled to but when you are spewing bile try and keep it to facts.
Colin it’s not doing the press conferences. It’s what he says !
That wasn’t the point I was arguing.
I got the point you were making. The point still stand Rogers is his own worst enemy in a press conference. You swear last year in his slow earnest tones that he
discovered how to split the atom. Finding out know that he hadn’t
I think the problem for liverpool at rating players is that as a club they have failed to show real ambition like that shown by the United’s, city’s and Chelsea’s of this world. We sell out biggest players in Suarez, Torres, mascherano and alonso. Failing to sign any recognised star player to replace these sends out a message that were not an ambitious club that wants to compete at the highest level.
As a result its gets to even sign mid range players like shaquiri who could easily be signed if the clubs ambition matched its size. We’re a big club with modest ambitions at the moment I fear.
Ah Colin. To be fair. He is on sky sports news or quoting to the press nearly every day. That’s hardly an obligation in his contract. He’s on sky sports more than harry rednapp ever was. That’s not a dig. Just the truth. As a Liverpool fan told me if his team could defend as good as he defends himself , they’d be laughing.
The other argument here is about club size and draw for players to join. I am a united fan. I won’t get into us being big now even though we were in limbo for 26 years at one stage. The difference now is the money. Simple. It’s about the player and not the club. Sad truths.
I did say one thing last year that hopefully United can weed out the mercenaries out there and get players who want to get United back into the champions league and not just take it as a given. It brings a sense of achievement and togetherness in a team.
Liverpool and United are still the 2 biggest clubs in the world from a fan base point of view. In my opinion, things will change and they will both help each other get back to the top. They have been too fair when it comes to TV rights etc. And if that’s what football is about with the other big teams mentioned and the players they can attract then it will be short lived…..football should be about the fans….that way you earn the money on merit….
Great manager great coach, we’ll get top 4
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jan/08/brendan-rodgers-steven-gerrard-liverpool
There’s an interview he gave the guardian the other day
Not much of an interview, just a couple of quotes but i’ll give you that.
Says it all really …… had a sneak preview of the Van Gaal story and no sign of McCann or half the United boys there all on a Liverpool thread hahaha you couldn’t make it up. LIVERPOOL FC officially the biggest team on TheScore.ie! !! Lads if Liverpool were so insignificant why do you feel the need to post ? Liverpool get under yer skin boys don’t they ? It hurts they’re still in existence Liverpool!!!! Liverpool Liverpool Liverpool. I heard if United fans say Liverpool backwards 5 times in a mirror Benitez appears hahaha.
Why do we feel the need to post ?? Are you having a laugh !!!! Ahh no sorry that’s us …
Benitez , why Benitez , the little spanish waiter done a great job too in the league
The rage and panic in some of these comments make me chortle.
For that post is exactly why I used Benitez Baz. How ya been chief ? What’s Van Gaal gonna do January player wise ? We all know what Liverpool are doing (setting players up for everyone else) plus BR won’t be given the cash to do anything after the muck of the summer.
Hopefully Hummels , be happy with that
Ye need three at least chief being honest.
Lfc fan ynwa. When we get the players back from injury and of rest spirt we will do good we have got to hold your heads up high and with guts and heart in our hands we will do good. Brendon and you fellows show the premier league show them wot we are made of. Good luck On the fourth position.