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As it happened: Tipperary v Limerick, Clare v Cork - Munster hurling match tracker

We went minute-by-minute to see who would progress to the Munster final on 30 June.

Good afternoon all. After the climax of yesterday’s action in Leinster, we’re turning our attention to all things Munster.

Tipperary sit top of the table unbeaten and unbowed with six points from six and +38 points difference – the best of the remaining four counties.

They take on Limerick, fresh off the back of their resounding 18-point win at at the LIT Gaelic Grounds in Limerick last Sunday.

The Banner will be hoping to bounce back as they take on Cork in the day’s other game and we’ll be following all the action right here.

Throw-in for both games is 2pm and we’ll know by the end of today’s action who will meet in the Munster final on 30 June.

It’s still all to play for in Munster.

As we’ve said, Tipperary are top with three wins from three and six points to their name.

Below them, Cork and Limerick are both locked on four points apiece, while Clare remain further behind on two points after last week’s tonking against John Kiely’s side.

You can find the permutations before this afternoon’s game from our piece published during the week.

Liam Sheedy’s Tipp will fancy themselves to make it to the Munster final but could miss out if they lose to Limerick and Cork beat Clare. A win will guarantee their place.

A victory for Limerick will guarantee them a Munster final berth, while Cork could make it to 30 June’s decider if they win and if Limerick lose or draw.

Adrian Cole, Patrick Hurley, Joe Cole Charleville and Mick Ryan Cork fans make their way to Cusack Park. Laszlo Geczo / INPHO Laszlo Geczo / INPHO / INPHO

Let’s get to the team news then and we’ll keep you posted if there’s any late changes.

Liam Sheedy has drafted in a pair of defenders to his full-back line with James Barry and Seán O’Brien both handed starting spots.

2018 All-Ireland U21 winner Jake Morris is given the chance to impress with a place in attack.

Tipperary

1. Brian Hogan (Lorrha-Dorrha)

2. Cathal Barrett (Holycross-Ballycahill)
3. James Barry (Upperchurch-Drombane)
4. Seán O’Brien (Newport)

5. Brendan Maher (Borris-Ileigh)
6. Padraic Maher (Thurles Sarsfields)
7. Ronan Maher (Thurles Sarsfields)

8. Michael Breen (Ballina)
9. Noel McGrath (Loughmore-Castleiney)

10. Patrick Maher (Lorrha-Dorrha)
11. John O’Dwyer (Killenaule)
12. Jake Morris (Nenagh Éire Óg)

13. John McGrath (Loughmore-Castleiney)
14. Séamus Callanan (Drom-Inch – captain)
15. Jason Forde (Silvermines)

John Kiely, meanwhile, makes four alterations to his side for today’s game.

Among the notable changes team captain Declan Hannon and last season’s Hurler of the Year Cian Lynch make way along with the attacking pair of Gearoid Hegarty and Graeme Mulcahy.

Dan Morrissey comes in at centre-back, Darragh O’Donovan selected at midfield, Shane Dowling named at wing-forward and Seamus Flanagan drafted in at full-forward. 

Limerick

1. Nickie Quaid (Effin)

2. Sean Finn (Bruff)
3. Mike Casey (Na Piarsaigh)
4. Richie English (Doon)

5. Diarmaid Byrnes (Patrickswell)
6. Dan Morrissey (Ahane)
7. Paddy O’Loughlin (Kilmallock)

8. Darragh O’Donovan (Doon)
9. William O’Donoghue (Na Piarsaigh)

10. Shane Dowling (Na Piarsaigh)
11. Kyle Hayes (Kildimo-Pallaskenry)
12. Tom Morrissey (Ahane)

13. Aaron Gillane (Patrickswell)
14. Seamus Flanagan (Feohanagh-Castlemahon)
15. Peter Casey (Na Piarsaigh)

Cork remain unchanged after their win over Waterford.

Cork

1. Anthony Nash (Kanturk)

2. Seán O’Donoghue (Inniscarra)
3. Eoin Cadogan (Douglas)
4. Niall O’Leary (Castlelyons)

5. Robert Downey (Glen Rovers)
6. Mark Ellis (Millstreet)
7. Mark Coleman (Blarney)

8. Bill Cooper (Youghal)
9. Darragh Fitzgibbon (Charleville)

10. Daniel Kearney (Sarsfields)
11. Séamus Harnedy (St Ita’s – captain)
12. Luke Meade (Newcestown)

13. Alan Cadogan (Douglas)
14. Patrick Horgan (Glen Rovers)
15. Aidan Walsh (Kanturk)

Clare, meanwhile, make one switch.

Diarmuid Ryan is named to start in attack at wing-forward and Aron Shanagher selected on the bench.

Clare

1. Donal Tuohy (Crusheen)

2. Patrick O’Connor (Tubber – captain)
3. David McInerney (Tulla)
4. David Fitzgerald (Inagh-Kilnamona)

5. Cathal Malone (Sixmilebridge)
6. Jack Browne (Ballyea)
7. Conor Cleary (St Joseph’s Miltown)

8. Shane Golden (Sixmilebridge)
9. Colm Galvin (Clonlara)

10. Peter Duggan (Clooney-Quinn)
11. Tony Kelly (Ballyea – captain)
12. Diarmuid Ryan (Cratloe)

13. Shane O’Donnell (Éire Óg)
14. John Conlon (Clonlara)
15. Podge Collins (Cratloe)

Noel McGrath before the game Noel McGrath arriving ahead of today's game at Semple Stadium. Ken Sutton / INPHO Ken Sutton / INPHO / INPHO

An sign of things to come?

We’ve got all the Munster MHC scores right here:

- Tipperary 1-15 - 3-24 Limerick 

- Cork 2-11 – 0-18 Clare

A general view of Cusack Park ahead of the game Laszlo Geczo / INPHO Laszlo Geczo / INPHO / INPHO

Three changes for Clare this afternoon.

Jason and Aidan McCarthy come into the starting line-up this afternoon, while Seadna Morey also comes into the action.

David Fitzgerald, Shane Golden and Podge Collins are all out.

Cork remain unchanged.

Liam Sheedy tells RTÉ as the All-Ireland champions come to town: “For us, it’s just another game, throughout the Championship we’ve only really focused on ourselves.

“We’re really looking forward to it… It’s a good chance to understand where the panel is at.”

Liam Sheedy before the game James Crombie / INPHO James Crombie / INPHO / INPHO

Tipperary and Limerick line out as named.

Ready for action: Cork manager John Meyler arrives at Cusack Park.

John Meyler arrives Laszlo Geczo / INPHO Laszlo Geczo / INPHO / INPHO

Just moments away from throw-in.

A moments applause will take place for Johnny McGrath, the 1958 All Ireland winner, and Jimmy Noonan at Semple Stadium.

Seamus Callanan leads the team out Ken Sutton / INPHO Ken Sutton / INPHO / INPHO

We’re underway in today’s action

Tipperary 0-00 Limerick 0-01

Shane Dowling slots over for Limerick.

Clare 1-01 Cork 1-00

Patrick Horgan and Shane O’Donnell exchange early goals in at Cusack Park.

Clare 1-01  Cork 1-02

Patrick Horgan slots over for Cork to put them ahead.

At Semple, John McGrath misses a good goal opportunity. 

Tipperary 0-00 Limerick 0-02

Aaron Gillane adds a point for Limerick to extend their lead.

Clare 1-03 Cork 1-02

Anthony Nash makes a saves for Cork.

In Semple, Tom Morrisey sends an effort wide for Limerick.

Clare 1-04 Cork 1-03

Alan Cadogan adds a point for Cork to cut the gap to one.

Tipperary 0-01 Limerick 0-02

Jason Forde gets Tipp’s first score after 10 minutes of play.

Tipperary 0-02 Limerick 0-02

Noel McGrath draws Tipp level with a free.

Tipperary 0-04 Limerick 0-02

Four on the spin for Tipperary as they take the lead at Semple, Seamus Callanan adds the latest.

Tipperary 0-05 Limerick 0-02

Jason Forde slots over another point from a free. Sean Finn yellow carded for his troubles.

Clare 1-05 Cork 1-04

Tony Kelly adds a point for Clare.

Tipperary 0-05 Limerick 0-03

Aaron Gillane adds another for Limerick, their first point in about 10 minutes.

Tipperary 0-05 Limerick 0-04

Another good bit of work from Limerick, Gillane slots another free and the Treaty County cut the gap to a point. Two scores on the bounce for him and Limerick.

Clare 1-05 Cork 1-05

Daniel Kearney adds a point for Cork.

 

Tipperary 0-06 Limerick 0-05

Padraic Maher slots over for Tipperary from distance. Diarmaid Byrnes responds with a point for Limerick.

Tipperary 0-07 Limerick 0-05

Michael Breen scores for Tipp.

Tipperary 0-08 Limerick 0-05

Jake Morris makes it two in a row for Tipperary.

Clare 1-08 Cork 1-05 

Peter Duggan and Colm Galvin score for Clare.

Tippearary 0-09 Limerick 0-06

Forde again scores for Tipp, Gillane answers with a free for Limerick.

Jason Forde Jason Forde has kept the scoreboard ticking over for Tipperary. Ryan Byrne / INPHO Ryan Byrne / INPHO / INPHO

Tipperary 0-10 Limerick 0-06

Another for Forde from the dead ball on the sideline.

Casey sends it wide for Limerick.

Tipperary 0-10 Limerick 0-06

Alan Flynn comes in for Cathal Barrett, hamstring issue it appears.

Clare 1-10 Cork 1-05

John Conlon slots over again for Clare – five the gap in Ennis.

Clare 2-10 Cork 1-07

Tony Kelly finds the net for Clare to extend their lead. Horgan adds a point for Cork.

HT: Tipperary 0-12 Limerick 0-08

A late flurry before the break, Tipperary add two scores, while Gillane slots another free just before half time.

HT: Clare 2-10 Cork 1-08

A late first-half goal from Tony Kelly sees Clare go in at the break with a five-point lead.

Tony Kelly Tony Kelly. Laszlo Geczo / INPHO Laszlo Geczo / INPHO / INPHO

In the midst of the first-half action in Ennis, Gerry O’Connor of the Clare management team has been sent to the stands for an altercation with players on the pitch.

As it stands, Tipperary and Limerick would go through to the Munster final, with Cork’s scoring difference keeping them progressing in third.

We’re back underway for the second half…

Noel McGrath with an early wide for Tipp.

Tipperary 0-12 Limerick 0-10

Gillane again for Limerick – Nicky Quaid makes a brilliant stop down the other end to keep Tipp out.

Graeme Mulcahy scores for Limerick. Gap is two.

Tipperary 1-12 Limerick 0-11

GOAL! Seamus Callanan scores for Tipperary.

Tom Morrisey scores for Limerick in answer.

Clare 2-10 Cork 1-11

Horgan adds two for Cork to drag the Rebels back into it after the break. Cadogan adds another.

Tipperary 1-13 Limerick 0-12

Gillane slots over another free to keep Limerick in touch.

Tipperary 1-14 Limerick 0-13

Jason Forde with another point from the dead ball. Morrisey responds in kind.

Clare 2-11 Cork 1-12

Cork continue to close the gap, Cadogan and Horgan (2) with the points. Peter Duggan adds one for Clare.

Tipperary 1-14 Limerick 0-13

Shane Dowling off for Conor Boylan.

Tipperary 1-14 Limerick 0-14

Just a goal separates the sides after Gillane’s free.

Tipperary 1-15 Limerick 0-14

John McGrath scores for Tipperary to reinstate their four-point lead.

Tipperary 1-15 Limerick 0-14

Tipp Sub:

Robert Byrne on for Michael Breen.

Clare 2-13 Cork 1-12

Peter Duggan scores three in quick succession for Clare.

Clare 2-13 Cork 1-13

Cork Sub:

Daniel Kearney comes off for Shane Kingston.

Tipperary 1-16 Limerick 0-14

Noel McGrath scores from distance.

Clare 2-13 Cork 1-12

Tom Morrissey and Jason Forde All action here at Semple Stadium. Ken Sutton / INPHO Ken Sutton / INPHO / INPHO

Tipperary 1-16 Limerick 0-15

Aaron Gillane with another free for Limerick.

Limerick Sub:

Pat Ryan on for Peter Casey.

Tipperary 1-17 Limerick 0-16

Jason Forde from the sideline with a point for Tipp, keeping Limerick just out of reach.

Gillane makes no mistake from the dead ball to respond.

Tipperary 1-18 Limerick 0-16

 

Cian Lynch comes on for Limerick as Tipp stretch their lead.

Clare 2-17 Cork 1-14

Colm Galvin scores for Clare, as does Diarmuid Ryan. Horgan’s point precedes this series of scores.

The gap is six points in Ennis.

Tipperary 1-18 Limerick 0-17

Tom Morrisey scores for Limerick. Four the gap between the side here at Semple Stadium.

Tipp with two wides on the bounce.

Tipperary 1-19 Limerick 0-17

Tipp hit another wide, three on the trot. Limerick defence holding firm.

Callanan finally settles Tipp with a point.

Tempers flare between John Conlon and Stephen McDonnell Tempers flare between John Conlon and Stephen McDonnell. Laszlo Geczo / INPHO Laszlo Geczo / INPHO / INPHO

Tipperary 1-20 Limerick 0-18

’65 is converted for Limerick.

David Reidy on for Kyle Hayes – Limerick sub.

Tipperary score with Jason Forde.

Tipperary 1-20 Limerick 0-19

Gillane slots over for Limerick.

Clare 2-18 Cork 2-17

Seamus Harnedy with a point for Cork and a GOAL! for Patrick Horgan.

The gap is one point!

Tipperary 1-22 Limerick 0-20

Tipp extend their lead. Limerick have a goal chance with Pat Ryan but it’s blocked.

Byrnes slots over the resulting ’65.

Four minutes added on.

Clare 2-20 Cork 2-17

Galvin and Duggan score points for Clare to reinstate a three point gap. Closing stages there now as well.

FT: Tipperary 1-22 Limerick 0-21

Lynch adds a late score for Limerick.

Both sides will meet in the Munster final on 30 June.

Clare 2-21 Cork 2-18

Into the closing stages at Cusack Park.

Patrick Horgan scores for Cork.

FT: Clare 2-23 Cork 2-18

Cork progress in third with Clare crashing out despite their victory today.

So we now know out Munster final line-up:

Tipperary v Limerick on 30 June.

Cork progress to the All-Ireland series, while Clare’s season comes to an end.

Here’s how the standings finished up:

Table The42.ie The42.ie

That’s all from us here this afternoon, thanks for following.

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    Mute Stephen O Flynn
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    Dec 26th 2014, 6:59 PM

    The forwards for Munster made yards all night and Leinster were awful. As an Irish rugby fan I am worried about Leinster under o Connor.
    Big players back in new yr but serious issues to be sorted.
    Munster were actually exciting in the backs they were seriously hungry tonight.
    Munster abu

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    Dec 26th 2014, 7:09 PM

    Munster lads doing a strip show again. Botha is some man for one man :)

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    Dec 26th 2014, 7:18 PM

    I’m not Gopperth’s biggest fan, but that performance tonight shows that even with Madigan at 10 Leinster are toothless, unimaginative and clueless going forward. One player shouldn’t bear the brunt of what is clearly poor mismanagement of a capable group of players.

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    Dec 26th 2014, 7:33 PM

    Madigan plays poorly at 10 in every big game he ever features in, I’m not sure if his status as a world beater around Dublin is based off him demolishing Zebre and Edinburgh or if its total fantasy. Gopperth is the much better 10 and should have started tonight but I won’t complain.

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    Dec 28th 2014, 1:24 AM

    What’s that smell Rochelle? Bullshit!

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    Dec 26th 2014, 7:08 PM

    Well done Munster. Deserved the win, beat Leinster out the gate and can count themselves very unlucky not to have gotten a bonus point win.

    This the rock bottom for Leinster. At this point, there can be no arguments that Matt O’Connor has to be shown the door at the end of the season. Along with his scrum coach buddy and Leo Cullen, as big a fan favourite as he is, has taken over a very high profile job and is a rookie, which has cut him a lot of slack, but we’re coming into the second half of the season now and the rate of improvement is unnoticable from a pretty low starting point. Cullen should start feeling the pressure for his own job security now too. Maybe he need to learn his trade elsewhere before he should be put in the deep end like this.

    No matter the province, these interpro’s often bring teams to another level in terms of intensity and level of execution, when local pride is on the line. The lack of any of that shows to me that confidence is at an all time low in Leinster and they are not playing for the coach or buying into what he is doing. In fact, it’s a complete role reversal from how Munster looked under Penney, they just weren’t on the same page as the coach.

    We might have been missing a load of players, but that was hardly a Munster team that would strike fear into many sides in Europe, and we were more or less humiliated.

    #MOCOUT

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    Dec 26th 2014, 7:53 PM

    Munster were missing more than a few too. The strength in depth we’ve heard about for so long doesn’t seem to exist.

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    Dec 26th 2014, 6:49 PM

    Great win, Munster!!

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    Dec 26th 2014, 8:25 PM

    10 mins to go up at Ravenhill, you guys are only 3 down. A win against Ulster for yee lads would really set up the massive clash next week in Galway. GO ON!

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    Dec 26th 2014, 6:55 PM

    Well done Munster, the superior side tonight by a mile. Well deserved win

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    Dec 26th 2014, 7:33 PM

    pathetic from Leinster

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    Dec 26th 2014, 7:08 PM

    Losing to munster C team. Embarrassing

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    Dec 26th 2014, 7:42 PM

    It absolutely is mate. Foley is playing s blinder which is surprising (no offence). Humble pie time for us. Munster fans are still shite bant on here mind!

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    Dec 26th 2014, 7:09 PM

    Leinster were dross. O’ Connor is killing the once very healthy patient.

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    Dec 26th 2014, 7:06 PM

    Munsters back three and back row were superb tonight. Really thought Leinster would do a lot better with the team they had out. Pat Howard is one powerful ball carrier, always took two or three to bring him down. Delighted for Dave o Callaghan with his try on his night back. Really worked hard when he came on.

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    Dec 26th 2014, 7:04 PM

    Munster’s need for a Win was greatest tonight after the 3 previous defeats, and I think that really showed in the attitude and much improved focus from that selection, but we left a lot of Red-Zone opportunities slip through tout the game.

    A Solid, very encouraging performances from a lot of players but Duncan Williams, for me, possibly had his best game in Red, his link-play was critical for our go-forward play. Have to back this performance up with continued progression against Connacht next week, which will be a hard game.

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    Dec 26th 2014, 7:06 PM

    Easy.

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    Dec 26th 2014, 7:31 PM

    after a season and a half as coach it looks like moc has finally drained away the essence of Leinster rugby, it’s been painfully watching d slow regression, finally reaching it’s end game tonight, 2 words for d Leinster board, Ewan Mckenzie

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    Dec 27th 2014, 1:16 AM

    In fairness, the “essence” of Leinster for most of the “noughties” was described by its long – time representative and player, Neil Francis, as “ladyboy”.

    Is that the “essence” to which you refer or do you refer to the outstanding 5 – years of Cheika and Schmidt?

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    Dec 26th 2014, 7:41 PM

    Munster were really good tonight and deservedly beat Leinster off the park tonight. Keatley kicked excellently into the wind in the first half and really dictated the game when he needed to. Furthermore, Munster’s ability to protect their own ball and intelligent running angles by the forwards made this an excellent performance. The set-piece was much more solid tonight also and Munster’s jumpers disrupted Leinster’s line-out consistently.

    Leinster on the other hand were poor. Madigan seemed to be trying to doing everything himself. He was standing far too flat and forcing himself to truck the ball up every-time because of his positioning. This pulled the forwards up as well and killed any momentum Leinster were trying to create because Madigan wasn’t available for the second ball. If Madigan wants to be a 10 he needs to dramatically improve his positioning and game management. It was noticeable how Leinster became much better when Gopperth came on.

    For Irish rugby it’s great to see so many Munster players playing good rugby but Leinster need to get rid of O’Connor and set higher standards for themselves. They have too many good players to play like they did tonight.

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    Dec 26th 2014, 8:51 PM

    Thank you mate! We’re awful atm but we’re far below potential and Munster fair play to them are punching way above their weight with crisp attitude and team work

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    Dec 26th 2014, 8:59 PM

    Leinster have a good front row and a solid set piece but not a lot else going for them. That back 3 of Fanning, D.Kearney, Kirchner must have been the weakest fielded from any province this season.

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    Dec 26th 2014, 7:29 PM

    Great performance from the Munster team. On paper before the match leinster looked the stronger team but never got going.

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    Dec 26th 2014, 9:49 PM

    This is a problem with Munster. Failing to score try bonus points at home against the weaker mid table teams is going to hurt us at the end of the season.

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    Dec 27th 2014, 1:33 AM

    Where was the skip pass to the unmarked winger..

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    Dec 26th 2014, 7:16 PM

    Brilliant win Munster, I hope all you unbelievers complaining about the price of ur tickets and the team that was put out go home and have a think about why you support this team, they showed us tonight….

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    Dec 26th 2014, 8:15 PM

    Matt O’Connor is a bluffer.

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    Dec 26th 2014, 7:30 PM

    Comfortable win for the reserves, will hopefully see them putting pressure on the first team for the bigger tests ahead.

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    Dec 26th 2014, 7:44 PM

    It’s a long time since Munster did the double on Leinster in such a decisive manner so well done to both players and coaches. Now let’s play like that every week. Just one concern and it relates to , believe it or not, the Munster Jersey. Sooner or later if jerseys are ripped off the player so easily it will cost us a game!
    Why was the Stander try disallowed? I was directly in line with the line out and did not see any interference.

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    Dec 26th 2014, 11:11 PM

    Billy Holland (how is he a pro rugby player?) grabbed the Leinster jumper’s arm in the air in the lineout that led to the ‘try’.

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    Dec 27th 2014, 1:21 AM

    Holland is an honest, dedicated Munster 2nd row and great back – up to all other Munster 2nd rows. I wouldn’t swap him for anyone on Leinster’s books!

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    Dec 27th 2014, 9:06 AM

    I wouldn’t either, I’d just give him away. He can be honest all day long, but he wouldn’t lace the boots of anyone else there, POC, DOC1 & 2, Foley. In reality he’s a distant 5th and lashing him in back row smacks of trying to find a place for Gerry’s son.

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    Dec 27th 2014, 2:01 PM

    Forgot D Ryan. 6th choice at best.

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    Dec 26th 2014, 9:01 PM

    Decent win for the wider munster squad, especially the much maligned archer, holland, williams and hurley. Plus, continued good form of jones and increasing potential of Conway and Omahoney. Munster did what they do best – pick and go, aggressive breakdown work and kick chases with the addition of some subtlety via their long flat passing and lines of running outside.

    It has to be said, Leinster were very poor although they did defend well to stop a munster BP. They were physically outmuscled and in a game v munster that’s a worry for them. Leinster looked to be stronger on paper but it counted for little. MOC is getting stick and rightly so , but Cullen must also share the blame. Their pack were dominated. The players also deserve some stick eg. Kane Douglas must be on big cash, but he was useless. Mixed bag for the Irish contingent too – which is not good.

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    Dec 26th 2014, 7:43 PM

    While the call to replace M’OC gathers pace, it ignores the basic facts.

    Leinster were second best in virtually all the key areas. Back row, half – back and even mid – field, in both attack and defence. They at best had parity in the remaining areas. On an individual basis and based on tonight’s performance, Luke Fitzgerald and possibly Furlong are probably the only two who Muster might favour over their own choices.

    Munster are unkind to Madigan. They continue to illustrate his lack of game – management capabilities. Particularly when Leinster aren’t playing by numbers.

    The sad part is few of those on display tonight would make a Racing or Toulon wish – list. Especially Leinster players.

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    Dec 26th 2014, 8:29 PM

    The thing is a lot of these players in fact most of them bar the young ones who have come through in the last season and a half were striving under smichdt, Leinsters second team under him would challenge in Europe but now our first team is getting destroyed by a weak munster team, the reason? Can hardly be a coincidence that one of if not the best team in Europe a season and a half ago has gone from there to being a team struggling to get top 6 in the rabo. Players are to blame as well but they are being coached awfully, doesn’t help that We went from Gibbs one of the best foward coaches in the world to Cullen who has little to no experienc, think it’s time for a complete backroom re-shuffle.

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    Mute Brian Hodge
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    Dec 26th 2014, 8:43 PM

    Check the facts. Leinster failed to get into the Heineken quarters in Schmidt’s last season. He let Nacewa go. He signed Goppehrt , Bent, McCarthy. Best try – scoring figures that season but one of the worst tries conceded.

    This is as much about players as coaches. The reality is if Ireland doesn’t win the WC next season or get to semis at least, could be a long time until another chance.

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    Dec 26th 2014, 8:57 PM

    8 of the 23 in Leinsters last heineken cup final appearance in 2012 have since left the team. (BOD, Nacewa, Thorn, Cullen, Sexton, van der Merwe, White, Cooney)
    4 of the remaining 15 were ageing 31/32 year olds back then but are now ancient 33/34 (D’arcy, Jennings, Reddan, Ross) (another if you include Boss)
    2 more of the 11 remaining were lads in their peak who have now crossed the wrong side of 30 (Heaslip, McLaughlin)
    2 more of the final 9 have been injured almost permanently for the past two seasons with serious question marks over the longevity of their career. (SOB, Strauss) (could add Fitzgerald to that as well)
    That leaves R.Kearney, McFadden, Healy, Cronin, Toner, D.Kearney, Madigan as the only Schmidt players left at a good age and in good physical condition.

    Time to wake up and stop this head in the sand business of pretending you have a squad of world beaters but for the nefarious MOC and Gopperth ruining everything.

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    Mute Mark Lawlor
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    Dec 26th 2014, 9:49 PM

    Most of that’s is very fair albeit turning 30 doesn’t look like it will matter for heaslip, never injured and just look at O’connell who’s 35 but yet still one of it not the best second row in the world, I can easily see heaslip playing to that age and staying as good as he’s been. Also I and most leinster fans know we don’t have a team of world beaters anymore but we do have the players that should be a lot higher up in the table then they currently are and they should also be walking what is arguably the weakest group in champions cup, if you think the way leinster are playing is down completely to the players it just naive, O’connor is destroying a team which should be capable of challenging for trophies but by the looks of it now there’s not a chance we will by the end of the season.

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    Mute Brian Hodge
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    Dec 26th 2014, 10:06 PM

    No, I agree with the thrust of what you say. It is a combination of factors including (mostly) the players, Cheika and the timing of Schmidt. Munster had it with players, Kidney1 and 2.

    What most fans don’t understand is the importance of combinations. I have supported Munster amateur and professional for decades. I’ve learnt and appreciate that combination.

    You’re on the right track.

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    Dec 27th 2014, 11:17 AM

    @ Hodge Leinster were stopped by Clermont in Schmidt’s last season much like Munster this year most likely. O’Connor signed Gopperth. Bent was a rushed signing during an injury crisis. Nacewa left of his own accord for personal reasons with a year left on his contract. Matt O’Connor is primarily to blame for dismantling the effective Leinster structures and not putting in a place a plan to get the most from his players that most of us think can play smarter.

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    Dec 27th 2014, 3:24 PM

    @ Brian Hodge Munster had nine players in their starting XV who haven’t been capped internationally, while Leinster’s only non-internationals were Furlong, Conan and Fanning. How can Munster be so superior then, especially when Leinster were the ones seeking revenge from the Aviva drubbing? As you say combinations are important but Leinster weren’t especially lacking in this department compared to Munster. The biggest difference is that one coach has his team playing to its strengths and all the players singing from the same hymn sheet. MOC needs to be shown the door at the end of the season, and imo we need to get in either Tom Coventry or Jono Gibbes as Head Coach, with Girvan Dempsey as backs coach and Leo possibly moving to defence

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    Dec 27th 2014, 8:11 PM

    Or maybe Munster should be granted better representation on the International team? A hell of a lot of the young Leinster lads would be unhyped and unheard of if they were from the other provinces

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    Dec 26th 2014, 6:59 PM

    Don’t think anyone saw that coming

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    Dec 26th 2014, 7:11 PM

    The “expert” panel that TG4 have didn’t see it coming either.

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    Dec 26th 2014, 9:26 PM

    ….well done lads , felt they would win this before hand so delighted you did , consistency in finishing is what’s needed now …

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    Dec 27th 2014, 1:35 AM

    Jonno Gibbs = Cullen
    Joe Smidth. = O Connor
    !!!!!!!!!####$$$&&**¥¥¥

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