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As it happened: Manchester United v CSKA Moscow, Champions League

We were at Old Trafford to see Jose Mourinho’s side ensure their place in the knockout stages.

Good evening, folks. Welcome to our coverage of what will surely be a straightforward assignment for Manchester United.

Just a draw tonight will secure them first place in Group A. They didn’t really want it to come to this but defeat to Basel last time certainly came with its consequences.

Elimination is really not on the cards! For that to happen, United will have to lose by seven goals!

TEAM NEWS! 

The big story from Old Trafford tonight is that Luke Shaw makes his very first start of the campaign and it seems like he’ll play as a wing-back.

David de Gea gets a well-earned rest after those heroics against Arsenal so there’s a rare start for Sergio Romero.

Nemanja Matic picked up a muscle injury so he’s given the night off as Ander Herrera and Juan Mata slot into the side, alongside Marcus Rashford.

And before he begins his three-game domestic ban, Paul Pogba is included here.

Manchester United XI: Romero, Shaw, Blind, Smalling, Lindelof, Valencia, Herrera, Pogba, Mata, Rashford, Lukaku.

Subs: Pereira, Martial, Lingard, Young, Darmian, Tuanzebe, McTominay.

Here’s how CSKA will line up. They’re level on points with Basel currently so they really are hoping Benfica do them a favour.

Otherwise, it looks like it’s the Europa League for them in 2018. Some key names here are the legendary goalkeeper Igor Akinfeev and the inconsistent Alan Dzagoev.

Konstantin Kuchaev scored against United in the 4-1 loss back in September.

CSKA XI: Akinfeev; Berezutski, Vasin, Iganshevich; Fernandes, Golovin, Kuchaev, Nababkin; Vitinho, Chalov, Dzagoev,

Subs: Pomazun, Makarov, Gordyushenko, Zhamaletdinov, Khosonov, Olanare

Kick-off is just about 10 minutes away and just in case you’re wondering, this is Luke Shaw’s first appearance since 24 October when he came off the bench in the 87th minute.  Before that, he played the second half of United’s 4-1 League Cup win over Burton.

So, this is another big test for him to try and win Mourinho over.

Here’s Mourinho explaining his selection for tonight:

“Matic is injured. Many others are injured. The ones available are either in the lineup or on the bench. Luke Shaw plays now and it’s a good opportunity for him but I don’t want to look at it as ‘it’s now or never’ or ‘you have to play amazingly well or you don’t get another chance’ … the group is good, people fight to have an opportunity. This is not an exam. They just have to play as a team and not focus on individuals.”

As for Marcos Rojo, he says: “Marcos is really tired. He was out for seven months. We thought about not playing him for two consecutive matches but we had to because we had no Jones or Bailly. Now he really needs the rest. It’s not even an option, it’s a decision to protect the player.”

KICK OFF! 

VERY CLOSE! Really bright start from United and Rashford sees his strike smack the upright after being played through by Lukaku. Really came from nothing.

Good intent from United again as they force a corner. Pogba, Lukaku and Rashford are all involved before Valencia sweeps in the cross and it’s deflected out. Blind fires in a strike on goal and that’s deflected wide too.

Good pressure and they’re well on top here.

CSKA come into this game in good form, winning four on the bounce in Russia. And they know that they’re probably going to have to win here to advance to the knockout stage. But they should already be behind here. Rashford’s strike wasn’t very clean and it bobbled towards the far corner before striking the post.

CLOSE! That’s a lovely move from United and Valencia hangs the cross to the far post where Shaw arrives and trumps a volley into the ground but Akinfeev gets down and parries. On the rebound, Lukaku can’t quite get his body right and makes a bit of a mess of it. The goalkeeper does enough to put him off and CSKA survive.

By the way, Luke Shaw has never scored a senior goal for either Southampton or Manchester United. He made his competitive debut in January 2012.

And keeping the same train of thought, Lukaku has scored once in his last 12 appearance for United: the last goal in the 4-1 win over Newcastle on 18 November.

Before that, it was against Crystal Palace on 30 September.

Chance for Lukaku as Pogba pings a brilliant pass into his path but the striker seems to caught on his heels a bit and the ball bounces away from goal, making the angle harder. He gets to it and whips in a low cross but there’s no red shirt arriving.

Penalty claim from CSKA after Mata’s poor pass immediately puts United in danger in their own area. Shaw does seem to pull down Chalov but there’s not much in it. The ball ends up at the feet of Vitinho but his attempt is wild and United get away with it.

They look really good on the counter-attack, United, but there’s just a bit of ruthlessness missing here tonight. Rashford had a chance to pick out Herrera’s far-post run but didn’t get his head up and despite breaking with five red shirts, there’s no chance created at the end of it.

Shaw has been impressive in the first half but some people going a bit overboard with their praise. He’s fighting for his place in this squad and this is his first start of the season. He should be fresh and positive and hungry.

GOAL! Dzagoev! 

Well, that’s a pretty bizarre goal but CSKA won’t care and United are behind here, right on the stroke of half-time.

They’re slack on the left side and Mario Fernandes is allowed cut the ball back. Vitinho has the effort on goal but it hits Dzagoev – who is certainly offside – and deflects past Romero and into the net.

HALF-TIME!

Well, this hasn’t gone according to plan for the home side.

They’ve looked likely to score a couple of times but they’ve lacked the finesse in front of goal.

Rashford didn’t hit a shot cleanly when straight through on goal and saw the effort come off the far post while Shaw saw a decent volley saved by Akinfeev and the rebound was squandered by Lukaku.

 

They’ve looked dangerous on the counter but nothing to show for it.

The goal, after looking at it a few times, is definitely offside. The conversation seems to be if Daley Blind is actually playing on Dzagoev after sliding in to try and block the initial cross. But Blind was technically off the pitch when Vitinho took the shot so he’s not ‘in play’ as the ball deflects off Dzagoev’s back and into the net.

So, a definite answer here on whether the goal should’ve stood.

After a quick look at the laws of the game, Blind is still considered to be active because he hasn’t asked to leave the field of play. So even though he had slid off the field, he’s still considered to be ‘in play’. There was a similar incident at Euro 2008 between Netherlands and Italy, if I remember correctly.

So, a really great call by the officials. Dzagoev wasn’t offside.

SECOND-HALF! 

CLOSE! Rashford is in again and sends a great strike towards goal but Akinfeev does well once more and pushes it to safety.

The plot thickens…

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Uefa are now crediting Vitinho with the CSKA goal, probably because they feel the shot was on target and, in keeping with regular rules regarding deflections/own goals, the person taking the shot will get the goal once it was heading in.

BOOKING! Berezeutski picks up a yellow card as he desperately brings down Pogba on the edge of the area after the Frenchman plays a lovely one-two with Lukaku and looked to break into the area. Rashford’s subsequent effort is blocked by the wall and goes out for a corner.

CSKA are dropping deeper and deeper and there’s still half an hour left. A little ominous but United have been pretty wasteful in front of goal so far. Expect plenty of more chances falling to the hosts.

GOAL! Lukaku! 

GOAL! Rashford!  

Well, just after I was talking about how wasteful they’ve been in front of goal, United score twice in two minutes.

Lukaku’s drought is over. He stretched to finish Pogba’s superb cross to the net, showing great physicality in the process.

Then, he flicked on for Rashford, who’s initially blocked off. But Mata’s perfect pass plays him in and he sends a low strike to the far corner – learning from that miss in the first half.

2-1 and everything has changed.

SUBSTITUTIONS: McTominay (in) – Herrera (out) & Gordyushenko (in) – Chalov (out)

CSKA made their change just before Rashford put United in front. And it’s slipping away from them here now.

SUBSTITUTIONS: Tuanzebe (in) – Valencia (out) & Martial (in) – Lukaku (out)

Martial is in great form and has a knack of coming off the bench to score. It’s also his 22nd birthday so he’s in the mood to get the ultimate gift here.

BOOKING! McTominay brings down Golovin with a pretty rash challenge and picks up a yellow.

CLOSE! A rare but wonderful move from CSKA and Dzagoev is slipped in and looks to sweep it home from close-range with his left foot. But Romero is out and off his line and sticks out his right leg to make an impressive block.

With the rain coming down now, some CSKA fans have taken their shirts off. Still, I’m sure Manchester in December is a tad milder than Moscow, in fairness.

FULL-TIME!

Five wins from six games and United take Group A. In the end, it all came down to two dazzling second-half minutes and, as much as the finishes from Romelu Lukaku and Marcus Rashford were impressive, the assists from Paul Pogba and Juan Mata were pretty delicious.

If they lacked ruthlessness in the first half, they more than made up for it by rapidly scoring twice and Mourinho was also able to rest some players and keep them fresh for the Manchester derby at the weekend while also getting an impressive shift from Luke Shaw on his first start of the season.

Added to the mix, those well-documented droughts are now over for both Lukaku and Rashford and that’s a weight off their shoulders.

It’s the first time they’ve reached the knockout stages of the Champions League since 2014.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 11:13 AM

    So it’s okay for this arrogant git to call Newcastle ‘a wee club’, but he got his jocks in a knot when Benitez called Everton a small club. Oh, the hypocrisy……

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    Mute colm connolly
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    Dec 28th 2012, 1:13 PM

    Well in all fairness everton have been in top flight football for 109 years and won 9 titles Newcastle have not won anything in 50 years, sunderland have won more than Newcastle in that time

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    Dec 28th 2012, 1:26 PM

    The point I was making is that when Benitez said that he thought Everton were a small club, Ferguson was one of the first to voice his outrage at Rafa’s comments. However, he considers it perfectly alright to say the same thing about Newcastle, and fully expects to have nothing said about his comments.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 1:40 PM

    Everton have won the league a couple of times in the last thirty years and what have Newcastle achieved? A Championship title?

    Also Everton have never once been relegated from top flight football.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 2:32 PM

    Plus the fact that Sir Alex was having a pop at the then LiverFool manager. United and LiverFool managers will take a pop at each other over anything. Which is great.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 4:37 PM

    Thanks to Hans Segers!!!

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    Dec 28th 2012, 11:07 AM

    I support neither of those clubs, but is definitely support Newcastle over a side full of glory hunting supporters. You find UTD supporters world wide, half of them still think Ronaldo is still in the squad.

    Anyone but United!!!

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    Dec 28th 2012, 11:16 AM

    Dont paint us all with the one brush. I was born into a family with heavy support for United from way back to when they were nowhere near as good as now. We’re not ALL gloryhunters. Also, Fergie should not be fired! The man knows what he does, he knows what hes talking about and hes just brilliant. Stick to what you know..

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    Dec 28th 2012, 11:22 AM

    Well Sir Alex didn’t hold back on painting Newcastle with the 1 brush.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 11:32 AM

    that doesn’t even make sense Dodge…

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    Dec 28th 2012, 11:58 AM

    To support a team properly takes more than buying the new kit and watching match of the day, which is what you find most united supporters are.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 12:12 PM

    let me guess to be a real supporter you have to be calling for the managers head after a bad game and use the word ‘us’ when referring to the club

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    Dec 28th 2012, 12:13 PM

    @ Pilib. If man utd fans don’t support their club properly they why do they fill a stadium with 75,000+ fans every home game??

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    Dec 28th 2012, 12:29 PM

    No no that’s Liverpool ur thinking about

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    Dec 28th 2012, 1:12 PM

    Dodge you sound jealous of Utd’s success. Pipe down you clown

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    Dec 28th 2012, 3:12 PM

    Liverpool supporters are so easy to pick out by what they are saying.Get over it lads,Liverpool were great 30 years ago,they are not anymore.The envy and jealousy against us is hilarious.We get it,Liverpool are not up to United’s standards.Liverpool are a mid table team,just accept it and start a rivalry with Stoke or something,more suited to your standard in the league.GGMU!!!

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    Dec 28th 2012, 3:44 PM

    The circle… Remember it…. Great teams have been relegated…. Denis law…..

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    Dec 29th 2012, 3:53 AM

    brillant

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    Dec 28th 2012, 11:07 AM

    Ferguson should be fired.

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    Mute Cormac Flanagan
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    Dec 28th 2012, 11:26 AM

    Fired for what.

    look at any premier league match any weekend and you’ll see the manager out on the touchline giving out to the ref. is it wrong. yes. but to single out fergi is just Man U bashing.

    Di matteo and a few chelsea players went into clatterburgs dressing room and there was very little about that.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 11:46 AM

    because he’s a spanner.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 12:05 PM

    Idiotic comment. Pardew is a hypocrite.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 1:28 PM

    Hey, that’s what fergie said! Someone should be fired over this! Too many handbags flying around here!!

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    Dec 28th 2012, 1:30 PM

    Actually Chelsea and mikel were both fined… Don’t think a manager has the right to walk on to the pitch to the ref. if it was any other manager they’d have been sanctioned by now.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 1:48 PM

    Horrid man.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 1:52 PM

    @ Martin Alex Ferguson has been punished more than any other manager in English football.

    His high profile makes him both more vulnerable to media circuses and strangely offers protection as well. But he is definitely right about getting more attention than other managers. Pardew “ranted” at the officials when the linesman originally flagged for offside. They all do it, we could be here all day with examples of managers hassling the officials.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 3:11 PM

    He is 100% correct. They are a wee club when compared to the might of Man Utd. GGMU.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 6:04 PM

    Pardew a hypocrite?

    The biggest one around is that horrible, bitter, twisted old git – rednose fergie himself.

    Horrible!

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    Dec 28th 2012, 11:19 AM

    Not a Man Utd Fan but Pardew should just walk away now. He is not going to win this war of words with Ferguson. Ferguson is an expert at this sort of banter.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 11:38 AM

    He’s not an ‘expert’ at this sort of banter, it’s just that the media put a spin on his words that make him sound like some sort of wordsmith which he certainly is not.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 1:35 PM

    Yea, fergie has mastered it, but also around long enough to not give a shit about repercussions, whether he was right or wrong. Also, when media argues back, he simply boycotts them. Even Man U hierarchy afraid of him. He is irreplaceable. Can Man U replace him successfully? He has a aura about him that few ever have. Anyone who stood up to him is long gone…..from an LFC fan…. Hoping BR s given long enough to exert his philosophy… You do not need a big name coach, you need down to earth smarts….

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    Dec 28th 2012, 1:41 PM

    @Graham

    i totally agree and will go further. fergi mouths off on purpose. Look at when he does mouth off. Its either when his team are playing badly or when he feels there are under pressure. he diverts the media attention away from his players and onto him. where are the articles about how bad utd’d defense is, or whats up with rooney. no where. all the media, and pressure is on fergi.

    oh and i actually think the ref got the decision right.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 12:37 PM

    The ref could have been killed !!!

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    Dec 28th 2012, 11:35 AM

    Biggest club in the world? Eh, yeah right! Barcelona and Real Madrid might have something to say about that.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 12:09 PM

    Yes. Biggest club in the world by far. Fact, as a former Liverpool tw*t would say.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 1:17 PM

    They are the biggest club in the world, as for your argument about it being barca or real well just look at the league there in its a two horse race the English title is watched more closely than any other world wide Spain is the 3 rd best behind Germany

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    Dec 28th 2012, 1:58 PM

    Spain as third best? Check the corresponding UEFA co-efficient. Check the performances of Spanish clubs in the Champions League and Europa League.

    The Bundesliga is the most fan friendly league, but it isn’t better than La Liga on the pitch yet.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 5:09 PM

    I completely disagree German football is much better to watch and I’m not talking about euro football that had biting to do with my comment I’m talking about each league as individual

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    Dec 28th 2012, 7:42 PM

    You may find it more entertaining. Nevertheless, the Spanish league is clearly stronger. Perhaps you should have made it clearer you were speaking about your personal preferences. If I could choose any league in Europe to attend weekly, it would be the Bundesliga. But La Liga is clearly home to the best players and teams.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 11:14 AM

    Regardless of the ‘personalities’ involved, harassing a referee should result in a red card ad a walk of shame to the stands. Fergie thinks to highly of himself.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 1:14 PM

    The ref did not feel he was abused, should we just keep all the managers in the locker room from now on for dear of them showing emotion

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    Dec 28th 2012, 11:20 AM

    Whoever seen the game on Wednesday should have seen that Mike Dean was in no position to overrule his linesman. Cisse was offside and interfering with play. If Cisse wasn’t there, Evans would have not made the attempted clearance. With regards to Ferguson, his outburst would have landed any other manager in hot water, I suspect he (Dean) didn’t include Ferguson in the match report as he seen he made an error overruling his linesman. I don’t think the ref should have to include a person in his match report for them to be punished. With regards to the ‘Wee Club’ comment, it’s just tit for tat, Ferguson is top dog in the league and won’t let any perceived insults go unanswered.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 11:32 AM

    Only Mourinho could match oul blue nose ferguson for the mind games.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 12:14 PM

    Go on Fergie, let them have it! What a legend. All the haters will actually miss him when he’s gone, by the way!

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    Dec 28th 2012, 2:09 PM

    Not just the haters…. Love him or hate him, he’s a character…. And I like a coach who sticks up for his team and throws himself under the bus when needed, then tells players like nanny what he thinks of them… Primma donnas! Need more of this…. Previous Liverpool managers would have given sterling big bucks too soon…. Like the way Rodgers has told him to earn it n the field….. Also fergie really wanted van nistelroy…. Did what it took…. What’s wrong with looking out for your club??? I do not like Man U… But this is football.. Our religion….

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    Dec 28th 2012, 12:02 PM

    Everyone knows that the FA stands for the ferguson association. The head of the fa is a chairman on UnitedHealth board. It’s completly corrupt in favour of united. Everyone knows it.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 12:10 PM

    Dumbest comment of the day so far. If you knew anything about football you would know the fa are far harder on united than any other club with dozens of incidents to prove it.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 1:25 PM

    David Gill, United’s Chief Executive, is indeed on the FA board. As is Phil Gartside (Chairman of Bolton) and Anthony Kleanthous (Chairman of Barnet). I guess the FA is corrupt in favour of Barnet and Bolton too?

    David Gill is also vice-Chairman of the FA. When this was announced a couple of months ago, ABUs went into overdrive. They did however forget that in the early 00s, David Dein, then Chief Executive of Arsenal, held the same position. What I’m trying to say is that it is normal for clubs’ chairpersons and chief executives to sit on the FA board and does nothing to prove your argument.

    Indeed, the current chairman of the FA, David Bernstein, was chairman of Manchester City in the 90s.

    But don’t let the facts get in the way of your rather wonderful argument, Martin Mac.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 11:00 PM

    @Conor: Funny how Martin has yet to respond to your post. Tinfoil hat folks like him don’t seem to like documented facts. Another interesting fact is how Ferguson has served more touch line bans than any other manager.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 12:31 PM

    What a hypocrite, he criticised Rafa Benitez for saying the same thing about Everton a few years ago.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 11:44 AM

    He can’t speak English anyway!
    Don’t know what the fuss is all about!

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    Dec 28th 2012, 12:16 PM

    Vintage Fergie. I like Pardew but he’s a more gobby fecker than big Al. The reaction by some people on this go on like these type of decisions and managers having a go at each other doesn’t happen regularly. Don’t worry folks, League of Ireland is only a few months away!

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    Dec 28th 2012, 2:15 PM

    FACTS WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT MAN-UTD AND CORRUPT FA::::::::::::::
    1. Mike Dean, referee, when Blackburn beat Utd 2-3, hasn’t refereed a Man-Utd game since. FACT
    2. Mike Dean – referee, in 2010, after Man-Utd’s defeat to Chelsea, was demoted t…o the Championship. FACT
    3. Wiley, called “fat and unfit” by Alex after Man-Utd’s draw with Sunderland,”agreed to retire” that season. FACT
    4. Mark Clattenbu…
    rg (1-6 to City)hasn’t refereed a single Man- United game after that Manchester derby. (has
    acted as 4th official in 3) FACT
    5. Martin Atkinson – Involved in Man-Utd’s defeat to Chelsea, criticized by Alex, hasn’t refereed Utd since. FACT
    6. Ex ref Jeff Winter openly stating that he hadn’t been given a Unitedgame for 2 years after sending Keane off. FACT
    7. Howard Webb has been United’s most used referee since the defeat to Manchester City. FACT
    8. More than 18% of the penalties Webb has awarded in his 8 year career have been to United. FACT
    9. United’s CEO is on the board of the English FA. (Just in case the refs don’t do their ‘jobs’.) FACT
    10. FA reacts to Ferguson’s criticisms by only appointing referees he approves of. FACT.
    11.Wigan manager Martinez handed £10,000 fine for Old Trafford outburst over Danny Welbeck controversial penalty (DIVING)
    Ferguson not happy with Chris Foy, Foy referees a League Two game. something he hasn’t done since the 2001-02 season.PURE COLD HARD FACTS !!!

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    Dec 28th 2012, 2:31 PM

    Ah ffs, get a life will ya? Any ‘facts’ about the moon landing or the twin towers………..

    #yawn

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    Dec 28th 2012, 2:38 PM

    Ehhh, wasn’t clattenburg refereeing united n Chelsea game, so if you can get that obvious one wrong what about the rest of your so called facts..

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    Dec 28th 2012, 2:49 PM

    Oh dear god. So many inaccuracies here but I’ll just mention the most obvious one. Mark Clattenburg officiated the match at Stamford Bridge only a couple of months back.
    Idiotic comment. It seems the ABU’S have resorted to lying.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 3:01 PM

    But if you say those ‘faccccccts’ in the voice of a Fat Spanish Waiter they suddenly seem true!!!

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    Dec 28th 2012, 3:23 PM

    ah, Mike Dean reffed the game on Wed.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 7:51 PM

    This tripe has been generated off the LFC forums. Been around the block for many years with a certain slant of non facts. Already two posters have shown the facts in correct.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 11:47 AM

    Take a chill pill ferguson at your age try relax ffs

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    Dec 28th 2012, 12:23 PM

    It’s funny how the same people supporting Man Utd are on here knocking Rory McIlroy for being British.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 11:39 AM

    Not one of them is worth the money they get the sooner the banks call in the debt the better.then we will see who gets support when the clubs ask the fans to pay up and players to take the cut the wages ,or the club closes.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 5:11 PM

    Well if they do that they bye bye to Chelsea man city and Liverpool, united would have no problem surviving beside the owners debt burden united far out earn every team in the world

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    Dec 28th 2012, 3:47 PM

    Im not a united fan but I absolutely love fergies wind ups, he’s brilliant.

    The only one that he could never take to pieces was Jose. He basically retired Keggy, made Rafa a comedy figure, aged Wenger about 20 years etc

    He’s passionate, clever and great value and will be sorely missed when the robots like Rodgers etc take over

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    Dec 28th 2012, 12:50 PM

    Regardless of his comments on Newcastle Ferguson should be arrested for attempted murder. He could have killed Mike Dean.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 7:38 PM

    The ultimate fail of that comment!!

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    Dec 28th 2012, 12:36 PM

    I was worried Pardew was trying to become one of those slimy managerial buddies of Sir Alex like Allardyce and Pullis(old Taggart gets on well with the long-ball merchants doesnt he). Good on him but I do worry for Newcastle the next time they get Howard Webb. As for being a wee club in the North East at least they have a good local support and dont need to fill their stadium with Tourists and mobs of Fianna Fail showoffs flyin over from this kip.
    .

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    Dec 28th 2012, 1:00 PM

    So once again Lord Ferg just does what he likes and the footballing authorities sit on their hands, as they did over his previous refusal to speak to the BBC.

    For Dean not to mention the Manchester United boss’s antics because he didn’t shout or swear at him is to completely miss the point of what he succeeded in doing; getting in the face of all four officials and in particular the linesman on that side of the pitch, who looked unnerved by the affair – and left unprotected by the fourth official.

    Watch the footage again, as Ferguson deliberately seeks out the match officials in turn and succeeds in halting the start of the second half until he completes his elongated complaint. This wasn’t done in the heat of the moment, it was over 30 minutes after the original incident.

    Either Ferguson came up with this course of action himself – or someone else did during the half time break and suggested it to him. Deliberate and pre-meditated – with Dean’s omission seemingly confirming he’s been had over, or that his bosses didn’t want him to pursue this.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 1:17 PM

    Larry you fool…. Every manager every week seeks out the ref to have a few words with them… Why pick on fergie

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    Mute Graham Kavanagh
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    Dec 28th 2012, 1:42 PM

    Ah now, Larry had 4 paragraphs and that was your best comeback? A wee bit more would have been nice….

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    Dec 28th 2012, 1:57 PM

    @ Ray Dempsey, most managers have a few words occasionally with officials, but actively stalking and harassing every official 30 mins after a decision, is a new low,

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    Dec 28th 2012, 4:32 PM

    @ larry. Open your eyes… It happens every week

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    Dec 29th 2012, 11:26 AM

    @ Larry. Alex Ferguson has been punished by the FA more than any other manager. This is a documented fact.

    As for the other topics, other managers have blatantly done the same thing time and again. This incident happened as the teams emerged for the second half. It would have been the first opportunity since he saw a replay at half time.

    He was wrong, but he is far from the only person to do it in football. Look at Pardew’s reaction to the initial offside decision.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 1:55 PM

    Nice reply Fergie! That will teach Pardew not to rant on about you!

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    Dec 28th 2012, 2:36 PM

    We’ll do what we want, we’ll do what we want, we are UNITED and we’ll do what we want !

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    Mute Brendan Cox
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    Dec 28th 2012, 1:01 PM

    All football managers are hypocrits at some point, fergie has been around so long that he has more examples of it flying around.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 12:21 PM

    A shit sport… Diving is the biggest skill in the game now & refs giving penalties for minimal contact. It’s hard to watch

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    Dec 28th 2012, 1:18 PM

    Don’t watch it then

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    Dec 28th 2012, 2:29 PM

    This thread is so funny.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 4:22 PM

    It’s absolutely hilarious!! United fan for about 25 years now and I don’t get involved with this anymore. No point, only ever one winner and ill give everyone a clue. His first name is Alex!!

    A wee small club from the north east, anyone with half a brain knows its not true. 55,000 people week in week out. Fergie is the best wind-up merchant in the world!

    It will be a sad day for football when he’s finished.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 12:38 PM

    It’s funny how the second a decision goes against united all were hearing about on tv is how vague the rules are and “it’s time for change”.
    Whatever happened to the old “it was a tough decision for the ref” that players like Suarez have had to listen to from commentators nearly every week this season.

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    Dec 29th 2012, 11:22 AM

    Are you genuinely saying that decisions don’t go against United? All teams get incorrect decisions for and against them. I could be hear all day listing examples for every single club. Don’t write such embarrassing, tinfoil hat nonsense.

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    Dec 29th 2012, 12:34 PM

    To answer your question, no.
    Read my comment again before you start with the usual insulting comebacks

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    Mute Gavin O'Connor
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    Dec 28th 2012, 3:38 PM

    Ferguson, 2009: “Everton are a big club, not a small one which Benitez arrogantly said.”

    Hypocrite of the highest order and it galls me he gets away with on a regular basis.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 4:15 PM

    get away with it? so do you feel there should be some sort of punishment for hypocrisy?

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    Dec 28th 2012, 7:41 PM

    Haha owned!!!

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    Dec 28th 2012, 12:48 PM

    Its all pantomime soap opera crap

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    Dec 28th 2012, 1:28 PM

    “Pantomine soap opera crap” that’s watched by over a billion people worldwide and played in every country in the world. But if John Cash says it’s shit, he simply must be right.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 2:04 PM

    It’s a soap opera. Soccer is a meaningless past time if you really think about. A billion people watch xfactor type shows, it doesn’t make them anymore worthwhile.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 2:35 PM

    Life is also meaningless past time when you think about it. But it is an enjoyable one. As is football, so there’s no need to shit all over it.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 3:22 PM

    Soap operas are enjoyable Conor. Life is what you make it.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 2:06 PM

    Forever the hypoctite, Ferguson!!

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    Dec 28th 2012, 6:56 PM

    Most people haven’t copped his van persie could have been killed statement was a wind up too, nobody seemed to talk about the actual result after that which is just what fergie wanted, the man is a genius

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    Dec 28th 2012, 5:32 PM

    ?What is a club in any case?

    Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it.

    It?s not the television contracts, get-out clauses, marketing departments or executive boxes.

    It?s the noise, the passion, the feeling of belonging, the pride in your city.

    It?s a small boy clambering up stadium steps for the very first time, gripping his father?s hand, gawping at that hallowed stretch of turf beneath him and, without being able to do a thing about it, falling in love.?

    Sir Bobby Robson

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    Dec 28th 2012, 1:07 PM

    The last time ferguson lost was when he took on two Irish guys McManus & Desmond – got his comeuppance there and then !!! Obnoxious little man

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    Dec 28th 2012, 1:22 PM

    are you sure you have the two correct lads there, I think Magner was involved and not McManus but I could be wrong

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    Dec 28th 2012, 1:37 PM

    Rock of Gibraltar was the horse – Maybe McManus & Magnier – yep think that’s it!

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    Dec 29th 2012, 1:25 AM

    Fu fergie ur only a tit

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    Dec 28th 2012, 6:09 PM

    Fergie should know better than to say something like that. He’s gone down in my estimation. He has the experience not to be drawn into something like this. And some comments from united fans here are so arrogant

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    Dec 28th 2012, 1:05 PM

    Anybody not supporting FC Barcelona should be considered a loser.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 1:19 PM

    Glory hunter !

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    Dec 28th 2012, 1:43 PM

    They will sink once current players move on…that is a once in a lifetime team….

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    Dec 28th 2012, 2:39 PM

    Said that in 1996!!

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    Dec 28th 2012, 7:50 PM

    Incredible how after villa and Sunderland the comments section were very quite of LFC fans bar a small few. Yet a comment from fergie brings them out like flies.
    It’s says a lot.

    Fergie didn’t need to make the comment, that said if anyone heard the interview they would soon see how it was chipped and pieced together to make it sound a lot worse.

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    Dec 28th 2012, 9:22 PM

    Sounds like a lot of people here have played a lot of football and won a lot of titles!

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    Dec 29th 2012, 6:42 PM

    A1-88 .PEOPLE LIKE YOu never cease to amaze me man utd won 19 league titles coz they are simply good u can go on gloat about the corrupt FA as you say,but this is a cold hard fact

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