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Happy lunchtime, one and all.
Boy, have we got a chunky snack for you. Allen Clarke’s Emerging Ireland will take on Uruguay in the second Tbilisi Cup game at 2pm..
Last time out, the shadow Irish team ran out convincing winners over Emerging Italy. How do you think they will fare against the South Americans?
There has been one late change to the Emerging Ireland starting line-up. Connacht winger Matt Healy, who played 80 minutes against Italy, has come down with a stomach bug and will be replaced on the left by Andrew Conway.
Here are the team-sheets.
EMERGING IRELAND: Peter Nelson (Malone/Ulster); Cian Kelleher (Lansdowne/Leinster), Eoin Griffin (London Irish), Noel Reid (Clontarf/Leinster), Andrew Conway (Garryowen/Munster); Rory Scannell (Dolphin/Munster), John Cooney (Terenure College/Connacht); James Cronin (Dolphin/Munster), Dave Heffernan (Buccaneers/Connacht), Stephen Archer (Cork Constitution/Munster), Andrew Browne (Galwegians/Connacht), Billy Holland (Cork Constitution/Munster), Rhys Ruddock (St. Mary’s College/Leinster) (capt), Frankie Taggart (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster), Eoghan Masterson (Corinthians/Connacht).
Replacements: Rob Herring (Ballynahinch/Ulster), Denis Buckley (Corinthians/Connacht), Andrew Warwick (Ballymena/Ulster), Ben Marshall (Old Belvedere/Connacht), Dan Leavy (UCD/Leinster), Jack Conan (Old Belvedere/Leinster), Luke McGrath (UCD/Leinster), JJ Hanrahan (UL Bohemians/Munster).
URUGUAY: Jerónimo Etcheverry; Leandro Leivas (capt), Joaquín Prada, Andrés Vilaseca, Santiago Gibernau; Alejo Durán, Agustín Ormaechea; Mateo Sanguinetti, German Kessler, Carlos Arboleya, Franco Lamanna, Mathias Palomeque, Agustin Alonso, Diego Magno, Alejandro Nieto.
Replacements: Nicolás Klappenbach, Mario Sagario, Alejo Corral, Santiago Vilaseca, Fernando Bascou, Mathias Braun, Manuel Blengio, Alberto Román.
Referee: Marius Mitrea (Italy)
If you’re not following @Rugby_ie on Twitter for news of the Champions and Challenge Cup draws, then pass the minutes before kick-off with the highlights of the win over Italy.
Aaaaaaand here’s how Georgia beat Uruguay in their opening fixture.
Right, the anthems are under way and the Champions Cup pool draw is done (it’s not good news for Leinster and Ulster fans).
You can find the draw in full on The42.ie, right here, right now, we’re all about taking down Uruguay.
After a minute’s silence for the Berkeley tragedy and those killed in the Tbilisi floods, we are off and running in Georgia.
KICK-OFF.
Ireland defend for a set of phases before forcing knock-on. First scrum sees Ireland march forward, but we’re re-setting.
And there comes the penalty, Marius Mitrea penalises the loosehead. Scannell drives the penalty well in to the Uruguayan 22.
Ireland’s maul is a bit on the messy side, but they’re still on the attack. Probing back and forth on 5-6 metres out before Reid finds Conway and he’s through the gap!
TRY! Emerging Ireland 5 Uruguay 0 (Conway ’5)
Conversion missed, but otherwise a carbon copy from Emerging Ireland. Maul on the left side of the 22 set them a platform to rumble through the phases.
This time though they weren’t forced to come back left and then right again, this time Uruguay were rocked back and Cooney just had to break one tackle to cross the whitewash.
Scannell adds the conversion after Ireland’s best score of the three so far.
Kelleher finished off in the right, but the hard work was done with an offload from Browne to Dave Heffernan who stormed through the gap and made a solid 15 yards to set Ireland on the front foot in the 22.
Easy pickings at the moment.
Emerging Ireland 19 Uruguay 0
There’s the first sign of Ireland on the back foot.
Masterson tosses the ball out of a backpedaling scrum and Griffin’s subsequent pass is behind the target and in to touch just outside Ireland’s 22.
Rhys Ruddock has jogged to the sideline after Ireland defended that phase. No close up of whether it’s a blood sub, but doesn’t look too serious. Dan Leavy is on in his place.
Ireland just losing the accurate edge in the last few minutes and Holland is pinged at the breakdown after EI had forced the blue shirts back onto their 22.
Back they come, more phases without the ball.
Might be no harm to make a job of this with such a big lead open.
With possession back, EI attempt to run out of their 22. Kelleher checks back in from the right wing, but with Peter Nelson and Rory Scannell in support, the ruck is a bit of a mess.
Though a green penalty does come after Cooney attempts to scramble clear.
Water break time.
Brilliant turnover penalty won by Eoin Grffin: wide base, low centre of gravity, hands everywhere!
Scannell drills play up to the Uruguay 10.
Ah, it’s very scrappy now.
I didn’t catch the ball-carrier, but he didn’t have enough support in the centre of the field and Uruguay counter-rucked well.
Oh, here we go.
Ireland attack from a deep line-out and create space for Conway. The Munster flier skips by the defender, tip-toeing on the sideline and passing inside, but yet again the more ambitious plays quickly break down and possession is turned over.
Another chance to move the ball as Masterson collects an overthrown line-out and powers across the gain-line. Scannell looks wide to Porter and Kelleher, but the pass to the fullback is forward.
We’re in need of a try to lift this game and EI are in position to deliver it, another maul from the left side of the 22.
Ireland take the scrum option on the penalty as blindside Augustin Alonso takes a walk to the sin-bin.
PENALTY TRY! Emerging Ireland 26 Uruguay 0
Mitrea losing patience with the South Americans now and he back-tracks under the posts after the second scrum penalty in succession after binning Alonso for the accumulation of penalties.
HALF-TIME Emerging Ireland 26 Uruguay 0
Another bright start to a half from Emerging Ireland, Frank Taggart doing some good work on the ground before a knock-on ends the move as Ireland sought out Kelleher on the left.
Scrummaging 10 metres out.
Just a lack of fluency frustrating EI now. Noel Reid received the ball behind him after that set-piece, but he then forced the pass and was intercepted. The centre hacks clear.
Ireland recycle through around 10 phases, with a big carry from Dan Leavy in the middle, before Scannell is penalised for holding on. Again, the support just didn’t arrive in time to help out the out-half.
It’s time for a raft of replacements to begin. Billy Holland heads off after making a big carry in Uruguayan territory and he is joined by Stephen Archer, another good shift from the tighthead.
Andrew Warwick and Ben Marshall come on in their place.
Ireland continue to lumber forward minute by minute, there’s another hint of a scrap, but Big Ben Marshall acts as bouncer to stop chippy backs joining in and it soon dies down.
A bit of housekeeping before we go any further. The man wearing Dan Leavy’s number 20 jersey looks suspiciously like Jack Conan. So all that good stuff we were saying about Leavy, sub Conan’s name in there.
Uruguay come close to putting a deserved gloss on the scoreboard, but they’re held up over the Irish line after a swift line-out and maul.
Here comes Leavy now in place of Masterson.
Rob Herring and Denis Buckley in the game now too… and their first job is to frustrate the blue scrum.
Ireland still defending, as Uruguay lay siege to the try-line. There was a long advantage to that play, but nothing comes as heaps of green jerseys get under the ball.
We go back for penalty and Uruguay try again.
Oh, Cian Kelleher will be in trouble here. Looked like a deliberate knock on on Uruguay’s last attack.e
Yep!
SIN-BIN: Cian Kelleher (63)
Ah, more heroic stuff from Conan, bursting out of his 22 and starting a counter-attack.
Unfortunately, after Cooney did well to race across halfway and into blue territory, his pass was rushed and picked off by the scrambling defenders.
Ireland just not looking composed with the ball.
JJ Hanrahan is on for Noel Reid. We’d presume he’ll switch into 10 with Scannell moving to his more natural position of 12. It hasn’t been an easy day for him at the reins.
Luke McGrath, one of two backs on the bench, also comes into the game with Cooney heading for the sideline.
Quite a fortunate escape for EI there as Uruguay raid to the right and manage a touchdown on the line only for the winger to be called for a foot in touch 5 metres out.
The 14 men are punished by Marius Mitrea as the penalty count got one too high for his liking.
No more than the South Americans deserved. And, hopefully, a bit of a wake-up kick for the EI side who now have eight fresh bodies on the park.
Excellent work at the breakdown from Denis Buckley quashes the Uruguayan momentum. Set his base and held tight to force the penalty.
Ireland can attack now with their full compliment of players as Kelleher returns.
TRY! Emerging Ireland 31 Uruguay 7 (Marshall ’80)
Perhaps the best try is saved for last as Cian Kelleher bursts through a gap just in blue territory, steps once, then twice to try and make space around the covering defenders, and occupies both of them as he offloads to Ben Marshall.
Scannell adds the conversion with the last kick of the game.
FULL-TIME: Emerging Ireland 33 Uruguay 7
There you go, two wins from two and a bonus point to boot. However, there have been long stretched in both wins when Ireland looked out of sorts and nobody today was really able to grab the game by the scruff.
Thanks for stopping in to check out the boys in green, they’ll be back in action on Sunday against hosts, Georgia.
I hope this documentary shows up the UVF for who they really are, British sponsored terrorists.
That’s not even worthy of a reply.
I didnt think your post was worthy of a reply either but I replied anyway. Its the same old republican nonsense all the time and its getting boring.
Finger constantly pointed at this collusion between loyalists and police etc but never a mention of the exact same collusion between the Irish state and republican terrorists.
When the article is about IRA collusion i will comment in relation to that, as this is about a British terrorist attack that’s what my comments will reflect, i said your previous comment was not worth a reply because you wrongly assumed i am some kind of Republican sympathiser. I suggest you should read the article and all the comments before you make assumptions such as that.
The article is about the troubles in which there were more than one side, this attack was the latest in a very long line of attacks that took place over the previous 25 years. It wasnt a British terrorist attack either, it was an attack by illegal loyalist terrorists, would it be fair for me to say every IRA or INLA massacre was an Irish terrorist attack?
No it wouldn’t, James, because you deny their Irishness
And now you’re denying that the UVF are British? How strange
The article is about a documentary on the Loughinisland massacre.
With almost 25,000 british troops patrolling that tiny little part of this country at the time are you trying to tell me that “illegal loyalist terrorists” were able to carry out this or any attack without the prior knowledge of those at the very top of the military? if you are, you’re pissing against the wind. The highest number of casualties in any one day during the conflict was the Dublin and Monaghan bombings, educate yourself on who and how these were carried out, if you still insist on calling them “illegal loyalist terrorists” well then as Ron White once said, ‘You cant fix stupid’
would it be fair for me to say every IRA or INLA massacre was an Irish terrorist attack?”
Yes it would, but never in the name of the Irish people, nor were they sponsored by Dublin, Unlike the British terror squads, whom i must add had no support from the British public, but were supported by Westminster.
While I have no doubt that Jamesy will vehemently deny it, the UVF targeted civilians to a much greater extent than the IRA. While the IRA was killing British soldiers and police officers, the UVF were killing Catholics civilians.
Why did the UVF consistently choose to target Catholics for purely sectarian reasons?
The republicans murdered innocent Protestants so I assume the loyalists reacted by murdering innocent Catholics, that was the sectarian nature of the conflict.
The years before this massacre the republicans had carried out the Shankill bombing and the Teebane massacre and the loyalists retaliated with Greysteel and Sean Grahams massacres. It was the same kind of tit for tat nonsense that was in effect in the 70′s.
Its all well and good blaming loyalists and the security forces for colluding, dont forget to mention the Irish state funding the PIRA and its security forces then colluding with them too. Why is that being swept under the carpet?
And in 1994 there were no 25, 000 British troops here, there were about 10, 000 and they had every level of the IRA infiltrated too as well as the loyalists, look at Scappaticci and Donaldson as examples. Why didnt they stop every IRA operation? I’ll tell you why and the intelligence folk who worked here will tell you also, no matter how good your intel is or how on the ball you think you are you just dont stop every attack every time, thats the way it goes.
Brendan Hughes said that by the time the 94 ceasefires came around about 80% of IRA operations were compromised, to the security forces that would be considered a victory. The British were also content that they had the conflict down to “an acceptable level of violence” since the 1980′s.
325 years and still under siege eh Jamesie? Your whataboutery argument is a joke. Educate yourself outside the box.
I see that you’re as intransigent as ever, Jamesy. That’s some fine whataboutery though.
It’s well established that the IRA did not generally target civilians. Even the most damning report into IRA killings only places the percentage of civilian deaths at between 20 and 30%. Only around 8% of those killings are considered sectarian in nature.
Of the UVF’s targets, approximately 85% were Catholic civilians, the majority killed in sectarian attacks.
The IRA would murder soldiers or police officers and, in response, the UVF would massacre civilians. That’s the kind of ‘tit for tat’ killings that were going on.
The IRA did target civilians. Why the revisionism?
Did I claim that they didn’t? I clearly cited that 20-30% of their victims were civilian, 8% targeted for sectarian reasons. How much clearer do I have to make it for you?
Civilians were not their main target though. That would have been agents of the British state, such as soldiers or police officers. Soldiers alone made up roughly 55% of their victims.
The UVF, however, almost exclusively targeted civilians, and for purely sectarian reasons. While the IRA and British security forces were fighting a protracted conflict, the UVF were acting as a sectarian death squad.
So, Jamesy, why do you think the UVF acted in such a way? What do you think was their reasoning for massacring civilians solely for being catholic?
They massacred Catholic civilians because the republicans massacred Protestant civilians. Both were murderous bstards. How clear do you want me to be?
The only side making efforts to save life were the security forces, they paid the highest price too for doing so.
Do you not see the difference between 30% (max, the actual figure is likely closer to 20%) and 85% (a commonly accepted figure)? The UVF existed solely to massacre civilians. The IRA, whatever else one can say about them, mostly targeted security forces. Even the most staunch critics of the IRA only claim 8% of their killings to be sectarian in nature. Contrast that to the vast majority of UVF killings with a sectarian motive.
As much as you would like to muddy the waters and claim that all sides were the same, it just isn’t true.
You overlook the volume of killings though, the IRA murdered about 1800 while the UVF murdered about 450. That renders your % as less significant.
Im not a spokesperson for the UVF by the way nor do I want to be. You seem to be a defender of the IRA, are you a supporter?
I am not go away
No, it doesn’t.
I’m not defending the IRA. I would hardly call their targeting of security forces murder if I was. I’m just dealing with the reality of the situation. The IRA did not target civilians in the same way that the UVF did. If you have a problem with that factual statement, your problem is with reality.
The republicans did target civilians in exactly the same way though and as frequently.
And you talk of security forces like it was ok to kill them, the people in the RUC and UDR who were killed had family too, they also had family members who took revenge (wrongly in my opinion but im not one of the bereaved) through loyalist paramilitaries. The republicans killed these people in the most callous fashion too when many of them were off duty.
Jamesy, I have repeatedly called the killing of security forces murder. Does that sound like . You really are slow on the uptake.
Ridiculous comment, that the IRA targeted civilians as frequently as
Jamesy, I have repeatedly called the killing of security forces murder. Does that sound like I’m condoning it? You really are slow on the uptake.
Ridiculous comment, that the IRA targeted civilians as frequently as the UVF. Once again, 85% to 20/30%. That’s clearly not the same frequency.
Disregard my previous comment. Hit submit early by mistake.
The total number though allied with the % suggests that it was the same frequency.
1800 kills to 450 kills. Do rough maths.
Ira very very rarely chose civilians. Shankill butchers was yes but that was a unique situation.
Jamesy boy you lost that one – badly!!
White fang how can you say the IRA did not target civilians . On the 21 of July 1971 26 car bombs went off in belfast city Center killing 11 people and 120 injure . There are ex Provo s walking around today disgusted by there actions and what they have done . It became known as bloody Friday . A pregnant female police officer was kill in Bangor . The ira s reaction to it . We got two for the price of one .
Them 25000 troops were patrolling the time of the kingsmills massacre to !
What about kingsmills , eniskellen and the like whitefang
No it wasnt
Immature
Get goosebumps just reading about that horrible night.. was only 12 when this happened but still remember me mum and dads reaction after it… I hope some day the families get the closure they deserve!
While the Northern Troubles threw up many many bad days – this was a very dark one – a real tragedy.
30 for 30 brilliant series and thanks for taking this story to a global audience
Excellent article, may those dark days never return to our small island again. I remember that day with such joy , only for it to be replaced with sorrow. Shot dead by sectarian bigots for following their team!! Madness.
Why?
Why what, exactly?
Nice article, but they didn’t die for “the love of the sport” They were in the wrong place at the wrong time, murdered by religious bigots, they did not sacrifice their lives for football.
To be fair, I don’t think I ever suggested that in the article – it’s only if you interpret the headline in a very particular way without reading any of the text below that you can come to that conclusion. They died because they so happened to like sport and were in the wrong place at the wrong time, and that’s what both the headline and the piece in general are outlining.
They weren’t in “the wrong place at the wrong time” I’m sure all in the bar watching the match intended to be there, they were murdered by coward who laughed all the way back to the getaway car……..
Why did you delete my reply Paul, to the best of my knowledge I didn’t break any of The Journals guidelines. Are we not allowed to criticize an article on The Journal? Now I am left with so many unanswered questions. Did my intelligent retort upset you? Did it confuse you? Do you agree or disagree with my reply. If someone is murdered in their own house, cooking dinner, would you have titled the subsequent article They died for their love of the food”
You’re perfectly entitled to criticise articles Helena, but please abide by our comments policy while doing so (http://www.thejournal.ie/comments-policy/).
Furthermore, your food analogy is inept. As the article makes clear, it wasn’t a complete coincidence that the murderers killed followers of the Irish soccer team — they undoubtedly knew the pub would be full of football fans when they planned the murders.
You’re retort wasn’t as intelligent as you might think, Helena. As Paul pointed out, that food analogy was silly.
I never knew it was the author of the article that moderated the comments.
I never knew it was the author of the article that moderated the comments
Great article paul , I was only 13 and football mad when it happened , couldn’t understand it then , still can’t understand it now . Cowardly and barbaric act .
Paul how can the journal do nothing about jamsey b pickart p lyons he is destroying the journal with his trolling can anything be done
Michael, I would urge you and others to please report any comments you read that fail to abide by the comments policy referenced above.
Provided they do break the rules, we will delete them promptly once they’re reported.
I remember being in my hotel room in New York and seeing this come on the news, it was a real low point and lead to many New Yorkers changing their questions about what was this soccer tournament about to asking us what is was like coming from a country with a war going on!
“at the time, the attitude was that if you couldn’t get an IRA man you should shoot a Taig, he’s your last resort”.
Gusty Spence
And to think there are still those who believe armed struggle is a viable way forward.
Never again.
Those that think it today are criminals who just call their trade union republicanism
this is about british state sponsored murder, not bout the ira.
And yet even in the face of unjustifiable slaughter of innocents, small minded bigots from both sides will bicker in this comment section about who was right and wrong.
The people who did the shooting were wrong
Loyalist siege mentality basterds, yet it’s only the cause of republicanism that sullied by media the world over. My friends in Slovakia could go on and on about the IRA yet hadn’t a notion about the UVF or British army and the god knows how many other Loyalist forces that spilled more civilian blood during the troubles.
It seems I can’t say I’m an Irish republican anywhere in the world without people assuming I’m an extremist, while a self confessed Loyalist would be considered unblemished and “enlightened” . It frustrates me.
Ar dheis Dé go raibh a n-anam
Its a pity about you isnt it.
It makes me angry. Justice shouldn’t be one sided and neither should the media.
Justice did go both ways, over 7000 loyalists were locked up during the troubles. Thats a fairly significant number of people from that movement incarcerated, definitely for a movement that supposedly escaped justice.
Sadly about 3000 of the 3500 murders during the conflict were unsolved so a lot of people on both sides escaped justice, hence the formation of the HET.
You actually make a great point and not too far from the truth , it’s like everyone in the world knows of 9/11 but never heard of USA drone attacks on civilians killing women & children . Media controls what the world will hear , only few of us step outside the bubble and realise the real truth , media came up with sky sports and X factor to keep everyone in this bubble .. Having said all that , I believe Sinn Fein are taking the right direction , a united Ireland will only be achieved thru peaceful and political ways . The IRA now are nothing more than thugs that control the drug trade in Dublin , not many Irish ppl can see this either.
That the same HET which provided the evidence of systematic and institutionalised collusion between the state and loyalist murder gangs? Something which you have repeatedly denied on this site?
Mitch, I agree with most of what you say, but I would take issue with your last statement regarding the IRA being thugs that control the drug trade in Dublin. Any and all of those criminal organisations are not even the distant cousin of the IRA. They are criminals masquerading as Republicans in order to gain some form of legitimacy. Grand, they have hijacked the name of the IRA, but you could call a duck a giraffe and it will still stay a duck.
A similar attack to that perpetrated at Loughinisland was attempted at nearby Annaclone on the occasion of the World Cup final just a few weeks later.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/publican-averted-ulster-massacre-1414769.html
Thankfully the owner of the pub, John Loy, had wisely locked his pub’s doors at kick-off. Unable to get in, the attacking gunmen opened fire through windows and, while seven customers were injured, nobody was killed.
(My personal interest: my parents rented a house from the Loy family just 100 meters from the Hawthorne Inn when we lived in Annaclone in the mid-60s).
Paddy I don’t support or defend any of the terrorist organisation that existed during the troubles but I think you will find the ira murder more Catholics then the uvf ever did . The murder campaign of the ira resulted in thousands of people dieing and tens of thousands injured . The uvf it was hundreds . Over a million Brit soldiers serve in ulster and everyone of them risk there life’s in a conflict of hate . Many paid with there life’s and many more sacrifice there life’s to save others .
I assume that is in reply to me, I am well aware of the history of Northern Ireland, i was commenting on this story/documentary and the age old argument ‘ your side killed more ‘ is childish at best, all deaths involved were terrible, i does’t escape the FACT that the UVF/UFF/UDA etc were and still are British government sponsored death squads, the best argument i have ever heard in the great debate about the IRA is that if it wasn’t for the British, they simply would have never existed.
These are correct up to 2011 as far as im aware…
loyalist paramilitaries killed 1016 people during the Troubles:
868 Civilians
14 British Security
41 Republican paramilitaries.
93 Loyalist paramilitaries
85.43% of people killed by Loyalists were civilians. 4.7% of the people killed by Loyalists were Republican paramilitaries. That figure includes Republicans who were ex-paramilitaries. Loyalists killed more civilians then anyone during the Troubles.
Republicans accounted for over 60% of the whole death toll and murdered more people than loyalists and security forces put together. They certainly maimed a lot more than that too in bombings, everybody seems to think a victim is somebody who was killed, there were 50, 000 people injured here too many seriously. The Loughinisland massacre killed 6 people, a further 5 were shot too which in my opinion is being seriously injured.
That comment with statistics was in reply to a comment made about how republicans murdered more civilians that anyone else.. it wasnt a ‘loyalists are worse’ comment it was a reply! :-) im well aware of how bad the ira were durong the troubles..
Tommy I think you will find out if you checked that most of the Catholics the Provos killed were poor white English trash who wore the Brit army uniform- The Volunteers with a AK or a remote control switch had not got the time to ask British army members which religion they were- The IRA did not discriminate – they killed them all-
Loyalists always chose civilian targets and nothing else. CATHOLICS. animals with no cause
I think it’s time to move on and stop bickering about who did the most violence and so on. The record of violence and murder in the Provence was atrocious and let’s hope we never live to see it again .
Micheal are u for real . The ira murder more people in n Ireland then any other organisation during the 20 odd yrs during the troubles . They where always the key to bringing the troubles to an end . No other organisation could have brought the troubles to an end . Not the British or any other organisation was capable of ending the blood bath . All you have to do is look at the north today . It’s a completely different place simply because the ira ended there campaign of violence . The loyalists terror organisations could no longer justify there existence . The home service battalions of the British army have been disbanded . The patrol bases pull down . The border no longer manned . The ira made there point back in the 70s or even 80s and the violence should have been brought to an end . Thousands of people would have never have needed to die on all sides but they didn’t . They chose to try to bomb and kill there way into a united Ireland by the use of force . It took 24 yrs for them to realise that the people on both sides of the border where not going to support them or Sinn Fein . If they thought that violence was capable of bringing about a united Ireland then it would be still happening today .
Well the Loyalists started the troubles before the Provos even existed, and they’re still terrorising people today long after the provisionals have decommissioned
The British state was not capable of ending the bloodbath?? Are u for real??
Really? Sinn Fein are about to become the largest power in Irish politics in few wks with Gerry Adams as most popular leader according to polls
16% is nowhere near the largest party!
25% is………………….lol
Tommy you are actually correct. The violence should and could have ended in the 70/80′s, saving hundreds of lives. The IRA had sued for peace then. It was brought down by unionism/loyalist who refused to even contemplate treating the nationalist community as any type of equals. The unionist politicians of dup,oup,took to the streets hand in hand with loyalist paramilitaries to bring these talks down. The British folded due to those threats of deepening conflict. The GFA could have been arrived at Years earlier if this intransigence had not been to the fore from unionist and British quarters.
Come election time – SF lucky to get 10/15% of morons votes !
Whoever did this , I hope they burn in hell , barbaric cowardly act !!
It always comes back to ‘ but but the IRA’. The issue is and always has been with these murders, that british tax payers pay the police and army and these state forces who operate above the law of the same state murdered innocent people. People to this day on RUC pensions and men in suits in Mi5 who go into work each day knowing exactly who killed these people and knew well in advance of their killing. They’re worse than the UVF
Attacks likes these were only done with senior approval. One of the signs of an impending loyalist attack was that the British Army and RUC would withdraw from an area.
I remember visiting cousins from in Armagh, my mother’s people, staunch unionists.
They would warn us about RUC or UDR checkpoints so to avoid them.
What an awful tragedy. Carried out by ciwRds or rather murderers.
Absolutely sickening.
One can only imagine happiness turning to fear and terror and then death.
Mans inhumanity to man.
the UVF and IRA are opposite sides of the same coin and both are too stupid and blinded by hatred to realise this.
The RUC and the UDR played their part in this attack. Like most Loyalist killings the security forces knew when to stay away and knew who not to arrest.
The investigation was compromised in every way possible.
The PSNI has today appealed for any new information to be made public- which it should- but it will not come by the PSNI-
Today Sinn Fein made a public statement saying that the PSNI appeal was a insult to people’s intelligence because the PSNI today is trying to thwart an investigation by the Police Ombudsman into the Loughinisland massacre-do the police think Sinn Fein are going to forget-
If you want to solve this crime ask the local RUC .
Jamesy boy !
Don’t quote false statements from people who are dead.That speaks volume about your mindset etc.Do you accept the fact that you are an irish man albeit a bottom feeder.
Apologize to the people in general and stop this pointless rhetoric better men than you and indeed me have done so
White fang 47000 people where injured by all sides that was point . Attempted murder on thousands more . The ira left 100 s of ieds in public places with no regard to who they kill . Belfast city center was a prime target . The majority of them disarm by security forces . Anyone could have been a victim no matter where u come from , what religion you or what ur believes are .
if brit terrorists weren’t murdering civvies the ira would not have existed.
Micheal u don’t give into violence by a minority of people that chose to Inflict it on the majority . Less then one percent of the population of the north chose to take part in the violence that brought so much misery into people’s lives .
Tens of thousands?
Ah Tommy, you clearly haven’t a clue.
Jamesy, why did the UVF choose to almost exclusively target civilians? Only one side aimed to massacre those with no connection to the conflict, for purely sectarian reasons.
No fang, both sides aimed to massacre those with no connection to the conflict. Get your facts right and I’ll engage you in debate.
jamsie and facts…lmfao
You don’t give into violence from a minority of people. How did the 6 county state ever come into being then??????
Scottish planters !
Donal you don’t even look old enough to have been around during the troubles . You sure your having a going at the right people here . Almost every day the ira where put on our tv screens with another murder . People where outrage at the actions of the ira both north and south of the border . The reputation you have as a republican has been giving to you by the organisation that kill so many people in the most cowardly way . To the majority of people south of the border they where consider to be nothing more then murderers .
I consider murderers murderers as well. What I was venting about was how lightly it seems murderers in the name of Loyalism have gotten off in media, particularly abroad. It made me angry to learn of this gloss over while I was in Slovakia, Czech Republic and Hungary recently. They also had never heard of the British armys conduct or of state security forces collusion with Loyalist paramilitaries. They were missing morr than half the story. I asked them if they had even hearf of it on the news and they all said no. They’re intelligent with keen interest in news and politics around the world but were very misinformed. I could only think their media was being highly selective or biased. It makes you wonder what’s really going on in places of conflict like the middle east and africa.
James I agree with a lot of what u say . The problem with a lot of people on here is that they cannot defend a organisation that murder men women and children so they chose to try and drag everybody else down to the same level as the murderers they try to defend . It’s the only way they can justify there actions .
Anyone no when can we watch this or when is it on here
Terrible