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10 or 15? Leinster just happy to see Carbery continuing to improve

The Ireland international is learning with every game as he manages two positions.

JOEY CARBERY HAS set such high standards for himself this season that it’s jarring to see his performances levels dip.

But that’s what happened at the Kingspan Stadium last weekend as Leinster lost to Ulster, with the 21-year-old making his second start at out-half since February.

Joey Carbery tackled by Charles Piutau Carbery takes a heavy hit from Charles Piutau. Dan Sheridan / INPHO Dan Sheridan / INPHO / INPHO

There were the usual flashes of his attacking class, but several misplaced passes and questionable decisions too, as Leinster delivered a poor collective display.

Moving back to the 10 shirt after starring at fullback in recent months appeared to be testing, and it raises the question of what Carbery’s best position is.

He certainly sees himself as an out-half and brings huge value to the out-half role, but with Johnny Sexton the first-choice and Ross Byrne impressing this season, there has been more need for Carbery at 15, especially with Rob Kearney out injured.

Given his youth and relative lack of experience, Leinster understand that there will be demanding days for Carbery as he grows, particularly when moving up to out-half after stints at 15.

“We know it’s tough,” says Leo Cullen of the Pro12 young player of the season. “Joey has coped incredibly well with everything that has been thrown at him this year, and he’ll be better for the experience.

“That’s one of the things you take – you’re giving guys the experience and we’ve got ourselves to a home semi-final and Joey has been a huge contributor to that, whether that’s been at 10 or 15, so there’s been a lot of positives from him during the course of the season.

“It’s difficult for any 21-year-old trying to manage a game when you think of all that’s going on; a sold-out Kingspan, an emotionally-charged Ulster team, and he’ll be better for that experience.”

Joey Carbery Carbery was named Pro12 young player of the season on Sunday. James Crombie / INPHO James Crombie / INPHO / INPHO

Cullen insists that Carbery is content to jump between the two positions at this stage of his career, rather than requesting that he be used exclusively in one role.

“No, he’s happy,” says Cullen. “He even took on the place-kicking duties as well [against Ulster] and that’s a big step for him. Again, I just see it as another positive step. It’s not going to be perfect when you’ve got a 21-year-old stepping into such a key position.

“How many 21-year-olds are doing that around at this level of competition? So I just see it as another positive step.”

With 22-year-old Byrne also showing his quality this season, particularly with his clever attacking kicking, Leinster look in fine fettle in terms of out-half depth.

“I think it’s fantastic,” says Cullen. “Obviously with Ross there as well, and Cathal Marsh has had a lot of game time as well, and I think Ross has played the most minutes at 10 of all our 10s in the 22 games, so he’s played a huge role as well.

“He played against the Scarlets here in the RDS, he played at 10 and Joey at 15, and I thought the two of them were very, very good that day.”

- This article was updated at 9.35 am to correct ‘first start’ to ‘second start’ in the second paragraph, after Joey Carbery’s start at out-half against the Ospreys in April was erroneously overlooked.

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    Nov 4th 2021, 8:15 AM

    Might win something there

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    Nov 4th 2021, 3:59 PM

    @John O Reilly: who is she

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    Nov 4th 2021, 8:13 AM

    Extremely tough choice for any young player. A big loss for Mayo and Football in general. Massive opportunity for him though. Very best of luck to him.

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    Nov 4th 2021, 8:20 AM

    @Cian Nolan: I don’t think it’s that tough a choice. It’s a chance to play professional sport that he may never get a chance to do again. Also great chance to experience living in another country, best time to do it is when you’re young and have less commitments back home. If it doesn’t work out or doesn’t enjoy it he can always come home and come back into the Mayo set up at any time.

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    Nov 4th 2021, 8:35 AM

    @DK: Agree. The only thing that makes it tough is living in the other side of the world away from family but financially it’s a no brainer. Irish AFL rookies get $80k a year (about €50k), 3 free flights home a year, free car and free rent. If they don’t make it they come home with enough money for a deposit for a house and got to play pro sport in Australia and can slip right back into playing high level GAA. If they do make it they earn a salary similar to pro rugby players 200-300k per year. Be mad not to go

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    Nov 4th 2021, 8:50 AM

    @Phil Redmond: you’re right and you’ve me sold Philo. You’ve hardly got a phone number there for one of the clubs do you, preferably Eagles, Dockers, Brisbane or Gold Coast (nicer weather). I’ll give them a shout and see how they’d fancy a lad with a stylish blue knee patch, great under the high ball taking marks and that. Can handle myself around the small ‘parallelogram’ and beyond. Slightly getting on in years. Rare opportunity for them to pick up a gem of the Junior football division. Will need to be kept away from the drink if required to train and play, though only trains well and plays well if I’ve had a drink. I’m well bred, brother played county, which I could’ve also and legend has it, would’ve been better if it wasn’t for the knee and the drink.

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    Nov 5th 2021, 6:11 PM

    @This time its personable!: It sounds like your clubs junior 3 team wouldnt be willing to let you go easily :-)

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    Nov 4th 2021, 8:07 AM

    A massive loss to Mayo. Wishing him all the best

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    Nov 4th 2021, 8:10 AM

    Arguably the best up and coming player in the country. A huge loss to Mayo.

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    Nov 4th 2021, 8:23 AM

    Best of luck young man,great player…

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    Nov 4th 2021, 9:05 AM

    He’ll have to put up with the GAA hassling him now, they’ll be sending priests and gards up to the house to try talk him out of it. “Would ya not stay here and play and train the same as professionals but with no pay, in the most expensive to live in country in Europe?”

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    Nov 4th 2021, 8:16 AM

    Class player. Huge loss.

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    Nov 4th 2021, 8:55 AM

    No brainer, enjoy the experience.

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    Nov 4th 2021, 9:35 AM

    @Fr Romeo sensini.: yes too good to turn down

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    Nov 4th 2021, 8:43 AM

    Great opportunity for him , all the best of luck to him

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    Nov 4th 2021, 8:21 AM

    You cannot blame him really. Some of those players who done so well took so much crap from the people of Mayo after the loss to Tyrone its no wonder he is moving half way around the world to play his Football. He can get some sun and make a few bob too. Good on him , look at Orla O’Dwyer she is ripping it up and making some good money too.

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    Nov 4th 2021, 8:37 AM

    @Gary O’Rourke: that’s a joke right? I saw more abuse from journalists towards mayo players than I did from mayo fans to players! And if there’s one player that definitely didn’t get abuse it’s Oisin Mullen!

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    Nov 4th 2021, 10:27 AM

    Mayo should have been doing all the could like Tyrone done with Mcshane to get this lad to stay. Can’t blame him for wanting to go though

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    Nov 4th 2021, 10:37 AM

    @mel roberts: its forwards we need mel. Big loss but we usually dont have a problem finding backs

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    Nov 4th 2021, 11:00 AM

    @Kieran Doherty: he’s class. Regardless of the quality we have at the back, he makes the team better. Big loss

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    Nov 4th 2021, 8:58 AM

    Does anyone know the success rate of code switchers? It would be an interesting one to see how many make AFL appearances. If it’s lower than expected, would there be scope for introducing an Aussie Rules youth league in key Football counties to run on opposite season times to Football? The intricacies of the sport might be less alien then for those lucky enough to get a pro sport contract. Just a short 2-3 month season like Rugby 7s and Rugby League in Ireland is to work around Rugby Union.

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    Nov 4th 2021, 9:57 AM

    @SomeGuy: that’s tricky that, what is success to you? Is successful being winning a Brownlow Medal or Grand Final. Then that’s easy, two were successful. I’ve high standards me like.

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    Nov 4th 2021, 11:15 AM

    @This time its personable!: We’re not talking about you.

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    Nov 4th 2021, 1:58 PM

    @Paddy Waggon: I was joking, to be fair there have been many over the years, Stynes, Kennelly, Clarke, Touhy, Hanley, Begley, Setanta, McKenna and O’Connor, they would be the top off my head but it’s some achievement to go over there in the first place and then to actually make it to play in the AFL, that’s something to be proud of for sure. There’s been so many others who’ve gone played a few games and came back due to various reasons and would still have great respect for them, doing something like that, at such a young age and so far from home, not an easy task so I’d think going there in the first place means they’re a success, the rest is just the icing, cherries and all the rest to add to the cake.

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