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'The word 'superstar' was bandied about but I know that wasn't all to do with my football ability'

Jason Sherlock spoke to The42 about his new book this week.

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JASON SHERLOCK’S IS a life of contradictions.

He spent his entire childhood trying to fit in only for his uniqueness to make him the most marketable player in the GAA.

He had a year of sporting success most athletes could only dream of achieving in a lifetime, only for it to be followed by what he terms “14 years of failure”.

Those contradictions make for a fascinating story, however, and the 41-year-old has attempted to make sense of them in his new book ‘Jayo: My Autobiography.’

Sitting in The42 offices, he appears a man content with his lot in life now, but the book recalls a different time, a different place, a different person and one who hated those differences.

“It’s a really important theme in the book because, at this stage, I understand that we’re all different and that should be celebrated.

And I’d like to think that kids might identify with challenges they have in their own situation, be it that they suffer from a lack of confidence or self-esteem or even just that they’re getting a bit of a slagging; I hope that they’ll be able to see how I dealt with it.

“If I was able to go back now, I’d say to myself  ‘It’s okay to be different, it’s actually great to be different’ and, if you feel down or you’re not happy with something, just share it, share it with your peers, your parents, your coaches, your teachers.

“It’s the differences we all have that make us so special and that is really important to me.”

Jason Sherlock Sherlock during his last season with Dublin. Donall Farmer / INPHO Donall Farmer / INPHO / INPHO

Of course, despite our best intentions, sometimes differences do matter and Sherlock wonders if he’d have a chance of making it into today’s Dublin squad in his prime.

But even if he didn’t pick himself — Sherlock is a selector with the All-Ireland champions — he suggests there are more sporting opportunities for young lads from the north side of Dublin than there might have been in his time.

“It probably would be [a challenge to be selected] in terms of how the game has gone.

“The one thing though, regardless of sport, is that I always loved playing for Dublin, I always supported Dublin so they were in my heart and it was always my dream to play for them.

“I’m sure I would have tried to become a Gaelic footballer for Dublin but, yeah, the game has changed and I probably wasn’t made for GAA anyway. If anything I was made for rugby.

I would have loved to play rugby, potentially as a scrum-half, because I think that would have been the best sport for me, but — in my time — there was no rugby where I lived.

“Then again, I think everyone will find their own way. If you’re passionate about something then all you can do is get to the level you can get to.

“One thing I learned from writing the book is that you don’t judge your sporting career on the medals you won, but you judge it on a lot of other things other than success.”

Jason Sherlock 1/3/1998 During his time with UCD. © Brendan Healy / INPHO © Brendan Healy / INPHO / INPHO

That said, were it not for his virtually unprecedented success in 1994/95, the theme of ‘Jayo’ would likely be  very different.

Given that he played soccer, basketball and Gaelic football at the level he did; his story would be no less compelling but, as much as it’s the taking part that counts, it’s the winning that people really remember.

“It was a unique sports journey for 12 months.

“Not everyone was around for that, so it’s nice to share it again and, even writing it, I’m reliving the surrealness of the whole situation where I come from playing minor — and I’m playing soccer as well and basketball — and I end up winning an All-Ireland with the Dubs.

Just to talk about that and go from, literally in May when I win a First Division title with UCD, to playing against Liverpool and I’m selected for the Ireland U21s, being on an Irish senior squad and then joining up with the Dublin seniors and, a few months later, winning an All-Ireland.

“It was, from a sports point of view, a unique career and one I was very lucky to have so it’s great to share that.

“And it wasn’t just my sporting career, obviously I got to experience a lot of things away from sports too which I never would have only for that.

“In terms of modern-day parallels, I think Shane O’Donnell when he burst onto the scene a couple of years ago out of nowhere and straight away there was this curiosity as people wanted to know him and who he was.

“I’d every sympathy for him because I’d been through that as well and it’s a challenge to get some reality when that happens.”

Even in midst of celebrating that first — and what would prove to be only — Sam Maguire, Sherlock, perhaps through a lifetime of experience, was self-aware enough to realise that the reason he was getting opportunities away from sport was not solely down to his ability to break a man’s ankles with just a flick of his hips.

Jason Sherlock and Mark O'Connor 1995 Sherlock leaves Mark O'Connor in the dirt. INPHO INPHO

“I didn’t look like a GAA player, I didn’t play like a GAA player,” he says.

“There was a lot of curiosity there and the word ‘superstar’ was bandied about but I know that wasn’t all to do with my football ability. There were different things in play — and it was great — but there was this nagging feeling in the back of my mind that it was the non-football reasons why I was getting all these opportunities.

“So I did struggle, particularly after 1995, to deal with that because I always felt that I wasn’t taken seriously as a footballer and, again, that was a challenge for me.

“I’d spent all my life up until 1995 wanting to be accepted and, then I finally was accepted and, really my motivation as a sportsperson waned in those few years because I was just happy to be ‘Jason Sherlock the footballer’, I didn’t want to win any more medals, I was happy where I was.

“It took a few years of losing and under-performing before I took stock and understood, right, I have a sporting career here, how am I going to succeed in it.”

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At a few years remove from his retirement, Sherlock is more philosophical about not getting to walk up the steps of the Hogan Stand for a second time; especially as Jim Gavin — a team-mate from 1995, of course — gave him the opportunity to bow out on his own terms in 2013.

“It was disappointing [not to win another] and I finished in 2009 but, in the book I relay how in 2010, 2011 and even when Jim came on board in 2013, my philosophy was that I was getting better as a player and, the day that I wasn’t doing that, I’d pack it in.

“Even when Jim took over in 2013, I still felt like I had something to offer and he gave me that window to try. Now, he might have been dismissing it in his own head, but it gave me a focus and it meant that in May 2013 I got to a stage where I knew I wasn’t able to play anymore.

“I was able to ring Jim and explain that to him and, for me, that was closure. I didn’t get closure in 2009, but I certainly did then and that was really important for me as an athlete — to go out on my own terms — and that’s what Jim gave me at that stage.”

Jason Sherlock and Jim Gavin Sherlock in his new role. James Crombie / INPHO James Crombie / INPHO / INPHO

But, to paraphrase Lao Tzu, what the diminutive forward calls the end, the rest of the world call a half-decade of dominance from Dublin. And Sherlock is enjoying his role as a coach, even if it’s all very new to him.

“I’m very new to coaching but one thing I’ve learned very early is that your coaching philosophy will be based on your experiences as a player so I think the fact that I lost and lost and lost as a player, that will ground me as a coach now and into the future.

“But these guys, they’re so good as individuals and their feet are on the ground, they don’t need to be dragged in or anything.o

“Obviously, I’m happy to chat if needs be but, the one thing that impresses me is that they’re great role models for Dublin supporters and there’s a lot of admiration for the players outside the county too.

“You look back, particularly the 00s under Pillar Caffery and Tommy Lyons, when we came in for a lot of criticism — in some cases justified because we didn’t actually get to an All-Ireland final — but the reality is we didn’t actually do a whole lot different then than we do now.

There are just fine lines in sport, and that’s why it’s very harsh to judge yourself just on winning and losing.

“I always felt that, once Dublin won one, they’d be around for a long time and it’s a credit to Jim Gavin that he’s sustained the success and he’s kept the motivation of the players.

“And it is great, but my experiences as a player mean I’ll always be grounded on how quickly it can change so, as much as we’re in a purple period, it’s not going to last forever and the challenge is to continue the success.”

Sherlock might be reluctant to pass on unsolicited advice to his Dublin charges, but given the depth and breadth of his life experience, has he any for a child who might feel like the way they look or their sporting ability, makes them different from their peers?

“I was a little guy living in Finglas South and I got to experience so much through sport, I’m very fortunate to do it.

If I was to give one piece of advice it would be to follow what’s in your heart. Whatever your ambition is, just go after it, give it everything.

“Then, when you’re on the other side of your career you’ll be able to sit back and be comfortable knowing you gave it everything you had.”

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‘Jayo: My Autobiography’, published by Simon & Schuster, is available now.

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    Jun 21st 2017, 9:52 AM

    1 Vunipola
    2 George
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    5 Kruis
    6 O’Mahony (capt.)
    7 O’Brien
    8 Faletau
    9 Murray
    10 Sexton
    11 Daly
    12 Farrell
    13 T’eo
    14 Watson
    15 Halfpenny
    16 Owens
    17 McGrath
    18 Sinckler
    19 Henderson
    20 Stander
    21 Webb
    22 Payne
    23 Williams
    Warburton is neither in form or fully fit. Joe Schmidt wanted 23 fully fit players to take on NZ in Chicago. POM and SOB were both roughly 75-80% fit and neither were taken. Remember what happened Jordi Murphy early on?

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    Jun 21st 2017, 10:21 AM

    @sean byrne: I would be tempted to start both sexton and Farrell but what if they both got injured in the first half with no real 10 option off the bench? I know it’s unlikely but it could happen. So if you start the both of them surely biggar has to be on the bench in case that indeed does happen? Your not the only one btw to have both of them in your team with no 10 option on the bench, btw and your team is a great one.

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    Jun 21st 2017, 11:17 AM

    @Ian Verdon: in that case what if Farrell got injured, Sexton came on and then he also got injured? You going to keep 3 out halfs in the 23?

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    Jun 21st 2017, 11:24 AM

    @Ian Verdon: what makes you think sexton could get injured ?

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    Jun 21st 2017, 11:27 AM

    @Daniel Casey: fair point, each to their own but for the first test I wouldn’t start them both if things aren’t working at half time then sexton is there to bring on.

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    Jun 21st 2017, 11:33 AM

    Any player could get injured but 10′s are the most at risk because it’s the most pivotal position on the pitch. They’ll target sexton and Owen because they fear them the most and I can see sonny bill boshing into sexton early in the standing tackle which could result in a head/neck injury. Not saying it will happen but it could happen. They’ll target Farrell’s recently healed injury too and test it, it’s just common sense. I have nothing against johnny, I went to school with the man and rate hike highly I was merely pointing out my fears of starting both of them together.

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    Jun 21st 2017, 10:06 AM

    1. Mako
    2 George
    3 Furlong
    4 Itoje
    5 Kruis
    6 Pom(C)
    7 Sob
    8 Falateau
    9 Murray
    10 Farrell
    11 Daly
    12 T’eo
    13 Jd
    14 Watson
    15 Halfpenny

    16 Owens
    17 McGrath
    18 Sinclair
    19 Lawes
    20 Cj
    21 Webb
    22 Sexton
    23 Williams

    Was a toss up between Farrell and sexton at 10, I just feel Farrell has been more consistent leading up to and during the tour. Went for Daly because he has blinding pace, good strength and is versatile. Rest of the starting 15 picks itself really. Have gone with Lawes on the bench, I have been really impressed with him and he could make a big impact coming on for the last 20-25min. Cj all day ahead of warburton because of his tenacity and carrying threat, lions could need it if they’re behind after 55-60min. Williams because he’s pacy and versatile

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    Jun 21st 2017, 10:53 AM

    @Ian Verdon: 100% agree

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    Jun 21st 2017, 9:37 AM

    Sure they are practically the same side. Id start Sexton with Farrell at 12 or on the bench. That wont happen though. Id have Daly or Nowell ahead of North.

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    Jun 21st 2017, 9:49 AM

    Liam. Williams was unreal the last day , I’d nearly start him ahead of half P ..

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    Jun 21st 2017, 10:12 AM

    1) Vunipola
    2) George
    3) Furlong
    4) Itoje
    5) Kruis
    6) O’ Mahony
    7) O’ Brien
    8) Faletau
    9) Murray
    10) Sexton
    11) North
    12) Farrell
    13) Davies
    14) Watson
    15) Halfpenny
    16) Owens
    17) McGrath
    18) Sinckler
    19) Henderson
    20) Stander
    21) Webb
    22) T’ Eo
    23) Daly

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    Jun 21st 2017, 10:27 AM

    @Sean Lynch: Thats the team id pick too. Farrell deserves his centre spot with davies.

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    Jun 21st 2017, 6:33 PM

    @Sean Lynch: Why have Halfpenny in the team with Farrell and Sexton both starting? He offers us nothing going forward. Surely Watson or Williams would a better job. You haven’t a clue mate.

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    Jun 21st 2017, 6:36 PM

    @Sean Lynch: Why have Halfpenny in the team with Farrell and Sexton both starting? He offers us nothing going forward. Surely Watson or Williams would do a better job. You haven’t a clue mate. Stick to the round ball.

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    Jun 21st 2017, 10:10 AM

    1 Mako Vunipola
    2 Jamie George
    3 Tadgh Furlong
    4 Maro Itoje
    5 George Kruis
    6 Peter O Mahony (captain)
    7 Sean O Brien
    8 Talupe Falateau
    9 Conor Murray
    10 Johnny Sexton
    11 Liam Williams
    12 Ben Teo
    13 Owen Farrell (if fit)
    14 Anthony Watson
    15 Jared Payne (offers more than Halfpenny in attack)

    Certainly not the team Gatland will pick,but they are the most in form players in eaxh position in my opinion.

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    Jun 21st 2017, 10:35 AM

    1)Vunipola
    2)George
    3)Furlong
    4)Itoje
    5)Kruis
    6)O’Mahony (Captain)
    7)O’Brien
    8)Faletau
    9)Murray
    10)Sexton
    11)Daly
    12)Farrell
    13)Davies
    14)North
    15)Halfpenny
    16)Best
    17)McGrath
    18)Sinckler
    19)Henderson
    20)Stander
    21)Webb
    22)Teo
    23)Payne

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    Jun 21st 2017, 11:16 AM

    Think Murray has it spot on starting 15

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    Jun 21st 2017, 11:06 AM

    1)Vunipola
    2)George
    3)Furlong
    4)AWJ Capt
    5)Kruis
    6)Itoje
    7)O’Brien
    8)Faletau
    9)Murray
    10)Farrell
    11)Daly
    12)Teo
    13)Davies
    14)North
    15)Halfpenny
    16)Owens
    17)McGrath
    18)Sinckler
    19)Hendo
    20)Stander
    21)Webb
    22)Williams
    23)Payne

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    Jun 21st 2017, 12:32 PM

    1. Vuniopla
    2. Owens
    3. Furlong
    4. Itoje
    5. Kruis
    6. O’Mahony (Capt)
    7. O’Brien
    8. Stander
    9. Murray
    10. Sexton
    11. Daly
    12. Farrell
    13. Te’o
    14. Watson
    15. Halfpenny
    Subs
    16. George
    17. McGrath
    18. Sinckler
    19. Lawes
    20. Faletau
    21. Webb
    22. Biggar
    23. North

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    Jun 21st 2017, 3:49 PM

    It has to be Sexton. Farrell has had a great season but not as out half at the top level. The fact that Jones keeps him at 12 speaks volumes and club level just won’t cut it on Saturday. Sexton has done it, he has the t-shirt, the ABs know, on song, he’s better than their man, and he’s getting stronger with every match. Last time the Lions won at Eden Park (1959), there were six Irishmen on the team. The last time this particular AB team lost, there were 15 Irishmen on the field.

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    Jun 21st 2017, 9:41 AM

    Ryan with the hero pick of AWN as captain

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    Jun 21st 2017, 1:58 PM

    Vunipola
    George
    Furlong
    Kruis
    Itoje
    O Mahoney
    O brien
    Faletau

    Murray
    Sexton
    Daly
    Farrell
    Teo
    Watson
    1/2penny

    Owens
    McGrath
    Sinckler
    Henderson/lawes
    Cj
    Webb
    Joseph
    Williams

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    Jun 21st 2017, 3:35 PM

    1: Vunipola
    2: Owens
    3: Furlong
    4: Kruis
    5: Itoje
    6: O’Mahony (c)
    7: O’Brien
    8: Faletau
    9: Murray
    10: Farrell (if fit)
    11: Daly
    12 : Te’o
    13 : Davies
    14: North
    15: Halfpenny

    16: George
    17: McGrath
    18: Sinckler
    19: Lawes
    20: Warburton (Stander played full game on Tuesday )
    21: Webb
    22: Sexton (Biggar if Farrell injured)
    23: Watson

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    Jun 21st 2017, 11:26 AM

    1)Vunipola
    2)George
    3)Furlong
    4)Itoje
    5)Kruis
    6)O’Mahony (Captain)
    7)O’Brien
    8)Faletau
    9)Murray
    10)Farrell
    11)Daly
    12)Henshaw
    13)Davies
    14)North
    15)Halfpenny
    16)Owens
    17)McGrath
    18)Sinckler
    19)Henderson
    20)Sam Warburton
    21)Webb
    22)Sexton
    23)Williams

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    Jun 21st 2017, 12:31 PM

    Pack picks itself
    1. Vunipola
    2. George
    3. Furlong
    4. Itoje
    5. Kruis
    6. O’Mahony (C)
    7. O’Brien
    8. Faletau
    Gets a bit more difficult for the backs
    9. Murray
    10. Sexton
    11. Daly
    12. Farrell
    13. Te’o
    14. Watson
    15. Williams
    Having both Sexton & Farrell starting negates the need for Halfpenny. Liam Williams is strongest at fullback, caused NZ nightmares last summer playing there.

    This is what I’d pick, I know Gatland’s XV won’t be the exact same.

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    Jun 21st 2017, 4:21 PM

    Same as Murray Kinsella but with stander on bench instead of Warburton

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    Jun 21st 2017, 3:21 PM

    1. Vunipola
    2. Best
    3. Furlong
    4. Kruis
    5. Itoje
    6. O’Mahony
    7. SOB
    8. Faletau
    9. Murray
    10. Sexton
    11. Daly
    12. Farrell
    13. Henshaw
    14. Williams
    15. Halfpenny
    16. McGrath
    17. George
    18. Marler
    19. Henderson
    20. Stander
    21. Webb
    22. Joseph
    23. Payne

    North doesn’t bring much except size. He’s clumsy. Jonathan Davies is useless and usually makes around two significant mistakes per game. I wouldn’t have even brought him on the tour. His break last week was the first decent thing I’ve seen him do in about five years.

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    Jun 21st 2017, 12:28 PM

    Mako
    George
    Furlong
    Kruis
    Itoje
    POM
    SOB
    Faletau
    Murray
    Sexton
    Daly
    Farrell
    Davies
    Watson
    Williams

    Bench: Best, Sinkler, McGrath, Henderson, Stander, Webb, North, Payne

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    Jun 21st 2017, 11:01 AM

    Mcgrath Owens Furlong Itoje Kruis O Mahony O Brien Faletau Murray Sexton Daly Farrell Davies Watson Halfpenny Bench George Vunipola Sinckler Jones Tipuric Webb Teoo North

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    Jun 21st 2017, 3:41 PM

    1: Vunipola
    2: Owens
    3: Furlong
    4: Itoje
    5: Kruis
    6: O’Mahony
    7: O’Brien
    8: Faletau
    9: Murray
    10: Farrell (if fit)
    11: Daly
    12: Te’o
    13: Davies
    14: North
    15: Halfpenny
    16: George
    17: McGrath
    18: Sinckler
    19: Lawes
    20:Warburton (stander played full 80)
    21: Webb
    22: Sexton
    23: Watson

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