Hello and welcome along to Part 2 of the European U21 championship play-off battle between the Republic of Ireland U21s and Israel.
After last week’s 1-1 draw in Tallaght Stadium, Jim Crawford’s side are in Tel Aviv this evening where they will be hoping to finish the job of booking a place in the finals of this competition for the first time-ever. The finals will be hosted by Romania and Georgia in June and July next summer.
We’ll have team line-ups and any late changes for you as we head towards the 6.15pm kick-off which is also live on RTÉ Player.
Two changes to the Ireland team that started the last day as Ross Tierney and Andy Lyons both come in.
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Israel U21
Daniel Peretz; Ziv Morgan, Roy Herman, Gil Cohen, Doron Leidner; Noam Gil Melamud, Ido Shahar, Eden Karzev; Oscar Gloukh, Liel Abada, Idan Gorno.
Subs: Omer Niron, Karm Jaber, Osher Davida, Mohammad Kanaan, Itai Ben Shabat, Yoav Hofmeister, Zohar Zasno, Adir Levi, Hisham Layous.
Republic of Ireland U21
Brian Maher; Lee O’Connor, Joe Redmond, Jake O’Brien, Eiran Cashin, Andy Lyons; Will Smallbone, Joe Hodge; Conor Coventry; Ross Tierney; Aaron Connolly.
Subs: David Odumosu, Sean Roughan, Dawson Devoy, Finn Azaz, Oliver O’Neill, Tyreik Wright, Evan Ferguson, Mipo Odubeko, Festy Ebosele.
Hopefully, Ross Tierney can repeat this trick this evening.
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The teams are preparing to make their way out onto the pitch now. It’s very warm in Tel Aviv this evening.
The anthems have been played and kick-off is now just moments away. Will this be a historic night for the Ireland U21s? Let us know your thoughts below.
Kick-Off! Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
3 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Israel going on the attack after making a bright opening, trying to cut the ball across the Irish penalty area and look for cracks in their defence.
5 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Ross Tierney wins a free for Ireland in their defence which gives the visitors a chance to clear the ball out and get a breather.
They build up some nice attacking play from the next move which ends in a throw to Israel after Conor Coventry loses his footing.
8 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Good tracking from Joe Hodge, and Tierney holds the ball up well out near midfield to bring the pace back down a bit and give Ireland a chance to work the ball around.
A terrific long ball from Will Smallbone finds Aaron Connolly in the Israel box but he gets muscled off the ball.
And from the next attack, the Ireland goalkeeper gets into a tight spot by leaving his box to contest for possession and handles the ball. Free-kick and yellow card follows.
10 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
It’s a good delivery but Joe Redmond gets his head on it to send the ball clear and away from danger. The pitch seems a bit slippy as an Israel player hits the turf.
Ido Shahar gets a shot off at the other end, but it’s rising all the time and floats over the bar.
13 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Tierney goes down after a heavy challenge from Shahar but the referee waves play on. A free out is then awarded from the next play to allow Ireland try and spend some time in Israel’s half of the field.
16 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Great chance for Ireland as Joe Hodge takes a shot from the edge of the box that just drifts over the bar. Some great play there to work the ball across the Israel penalty area and put Hodge in a position to threaten the goal.
The connection isn’t quite right but it looks like Ireland have come through that period of early pressure from the hosts.
17 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Connolly attempts to chase down a ball over the top but he gets knocked off his stride as Israel come forward again.
20 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Oscar Gloukh advances through the Irish cover but the defence does well to cut the ball away. Jim Crawford’s team are coping really well with Israel’s probing play.
24 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Roy Herman puts in a brilliant tackle on Andy Lyons to win the ball back for Israel and they quickly go on the counter attack that ends with a shot that sails over.
But they come knocking on the door again from the next attack as Oscar Gloukh tries to engineer an attack with a long ball into the box. Maher is quick off his line to gather the ball safely.
25 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Maher is down receiving treatment. He appeared to over-stretch himself after jumping on a loose ball.
27 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Maher is back up and ready to go again as he takes the kick-out. A throw-in comes to the feet of Tierney but he can’t weave his way around the defenders and Israel take back possession again.
29 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Great tackle from Smallbone to block a long-range effort. Israel eventually win a corner, which they take short.
They carry the ball back out and clip the ball into the box where Ireland boot the ball clear.
30 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Tierney chipping in with a good defensive play. Ireland are still coughing up nothing when Israel try to pick the lock, but they need to spend more time in the opposition’s half of the pitch. It will be hard to sustain that effort at the back in this heat.
34 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
SAVE!
Brilliant hands from Maher to keep out a super shot from Liel Abada after he slipped in behind Eiran Cashin to drill the ball low. That’s a big moment in the midst of a period of heavy pressure from Israel.
36 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
WIDE!
Another huge chance for Israel as Oscar Gloukh weaves his way through and releases a powerful shot from close range that just skims past the post. That’s another big let off for Ireland.
39 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Smallbone tries to link up with Connolly with a through ball but it’s cut out. Eden Karzev tries one from distance and his effort draws a huge reaction from the crowd as the ball flies out wide.
Ireland have a free-kick just inside the Israel defence which Smallbone will take.
41 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Getting close to half-time now and Ireland will be glad of the break after a tough slog in the first half. Another high ball into Connolly, but again he’s outgunned and Israel are in control again.
42 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Brilliant from Tierney as he uses his body well to win the ball back and gets hauled down as he tries to break away. Smallbone steps up again, and this is an inviting position to work something.
44 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Nothing comes of it unfortunately, and Israel start working through their passes again.
44 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
OFFSIDE!
Coventry gets caught as Israel sneak through, but Liel Abada didn’t profit enough from the chance anyway as his shot is blocked well by Maher.
Half-Time! Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland (1-1 aggregate)
Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
That was a tough 45 minutes for Jim Crawford’s side but at the same time, they frustrated Israel enough that they couldn’t make any profits from their superiority in possession.
Brian Maher has been exceptional in goal, while Ross Tierney is putting in a great shift.
It’s worth noting at this point that there’s no away goal rule, so the 1-1 draw from last week in Tallaght Stadium is the main scoreline on aggregate at the moment.
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The second leg of this European play-off remains delicately poised in Tel Aviv, where the home side have come closest to scoring with Brian Maher forced into a smart save
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Second-Half! Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
45 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
No changes for either side as Ireland win a corner in the opening minute.
47 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Cashin has the right idea as he leaps forward to try and get a flickering header on it. But it ends up being a free out.
Ireland come back down again and Connolly unleashes a really threatening shot in towards the bottom corner. There’s lots of power behind it but the ball just arcs out over the endline.
Much better from Ireland.
49 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Another fine save from Maher. Shahar spins past Smallbone and spreads the ball across to Gloukh who lets fly, but Maher gets down to keep his net clear.
53 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Tierney wins another free for Ireland to give Smallbone another opportunity to land the ball in the area and see what happens.
56 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Ireland plead for a handball but the referee doesn’t want to know. Cashin heads the ball into the box from that Smallbone free. The ball bounces into the path of Conor Coventry who takes a shot and the ball is blocked away.
57 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
MAHER SAVE!
More heroics from Maher as he parries away a powerful strike from Abada. The rebound comes to Idan Gorno who only has to sweep the ball home into an empty net, and somehow sends it wide.
Another big reprieve for Ireland.
59 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Joe Hodge makes way for Dawson Devoy as Ireland make a change on the hour mark.
65 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Abada tries to break the deadlock again with a right-footed effort in the box, but Joe Redmond gets his body in front of it to block it away.
67 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Another nervy moment for Ireland as the ball trails off wide after a shot from Gloukh.
71 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
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76 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Connolly misses again from a header. Ireland win it back and the ball comes to Connolly again in the next move but his shot is blocked.
78 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Gloukh and Abada have been a menace against Ireland, but again, they fail to find the target. Ireland are still fighting hard and it’s shaping up to be a case of whoever blinks first.
80 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Osher Davida puts Ireland under pressure again with some slick footwork. He forces a corner, which he also takes but he puts far too much on it and the ball sails off away from danger.
Into the final 10 minutes now as both sides go in search of a winner.
82 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Huge chance there for Andy lyons!
He doesn’t get the connection right though and another chance to break the deadlock drifts away.
84 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Another change for Ireland as Tyreik Wright comes on for Lyons. Abada has another chance at the Ireland goal but it’s only the side netting that swishes from his effort as they win a corner from the attack.
They make nothing of it though and they’re looking quite tired in the final few minutes.
86 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
SAVE!
What a stop to keep out a brilliant strike from Finn Azaz. He’s been brilliant since he came off and he worked a fabulous one-two there with Smallbone before drilling a shot low on the half volley.
But credit to Daniel Peretz who reacts well to keep the effort out.
90 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Decisive piece of play from Wright to head the ball away for an Israel throw. Ireland win the ball back and Azaz wins a free in midfield as Connolly is looking like he needs treatment.
Four minutes of added time have been announced!
91 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Coventry wins a free after some brilliant dogged play in Israel’s half of the field.
93 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Israel come charging out on the counter and storm straight for the edge of the area but a super bit of defending from Lee O’Connor to snuff out the attack.
Devoy concedes a free from another Israel counter attack and we’re almost at the end of the additional time.
Full-Time! Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland (Extra-Time to follow)
Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
On we go to extra-time as the second leg finishes scoreless after the 90 minutes. It’s also 1-1 on aggregate so we’ll need another 30 minutes to go about separating these sides.
Extra-Time (Kick-Off) Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
93 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Slow start to extra-time as Israel play the ball around. They managed to pick a hole but Wright does really well to get his body in front and cut the ball away.
97 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Hisham Layous swivels across the Ireland box and swings a boot at it but he’s off balance as he takes the shot and it flies over the bar.
Big decision from the Israel to take off Oscar Gloukh who had been causing an awful lot of problems for Ireland.
103 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
A lot of tired bodies on the pitch, trying to keep going in that heat. Lovely pass from Smallbone finds Wright and it results in a throw-in for Ireland. Now it’s there turn to spray the ball around, but they get dispossessed and the move eventually ends in a goal kick for Ireland.
105 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
The game is down to a pedestrian pace now. Neither side is eager to commit forward as half-time approaches.
Extra-time (Half-Time) Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Still no goals and the players are really struggling to find any juice left in their reserves. Another 15 minutes to follow.
Extra-Time (Second-Half) Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
105 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Connolly and Smallbone are both off for Ireland. Evan Ferguson and Oliver O’Neill are in. Can either side find a winner or will we be going to penalties?
110 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
It looks like both sides are playing for penalties here. No major attacks unfolding from either end.
112 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Israel chance there as Wright gets caught along the wing by Zohar Zasno. He cuts in through the penalty area but his slip pass across gets cleared immediately.
118 mins: Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
Ireland backs to the wall as Israel find another gear. But they’re still holding firm whenever they advance, as Ferguson draws a free to give them a breather.
Extra-Time (Full-Time) Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland (Penalties to follow)
Israel 0-0 Republic of Ireland
And so we go to spot-kicks! Who’s going to win it?
Penalty 3: Ireland (MISS)
Heartbreak for Wright,
Penalty 4: Israel (GOAL)
Perez scores to push Israel 2-1 up.
Penalty 5: Ireland (MISS)
Ferguson fails to level it and Israel stay 2-1 ahead
Penalty 6: Israel (MISS)
Gil Cohen can’t press Israel’s advantage and it remains 2-1
Penalty 7: Ireland (MISS)
Dawson Devoy can’t hit the net either. Israel can win it from the next spot kick
Israel v Ireland (Israel qualify after penalties)
What a horrible way for it to end. Ireland battled so hard right to the end but, after 120 minutes of football in hot conditions, they just couldn’t muster the strength to prevail after penalties.
Well that’s all from me folks. Stay tuned for the match report to come from Ciarán Kennedy, but until next time, good luck!
I hope this documentary shows up the UVF for who they really are, British sponsored terrorists.
That’s not even worthy of a reply.
I didnt think your post was worthy of a reply either but I replied anyway. Its the same old republican nonsense all the time and its getting boring.
Finger constantly pointed at this collusion between loyalists and police etc but never a mention of the exact same collusion between the Irish state and republican terrorists.
When the article is about IRA collusion i will comment in relation to that, as this is about a British terrorist attack that’s what my comments will reflect, i said your previous comment was not worth a reply because you wrongly assumed i am some kind of Republican sympathiser. I suggest you should read the article and all the comments before you make assumptions such as that.
The article is about the troubles in which there were more than one side, this attack was the latest in a very long line of attacks that took place over the previous 25 years. It wasnt a British terrorist attack either, it was an attack by illegal loyalist terrorists, would it be fair for me to say every IRA or INLA massacre was an Irish terrorist attack?
No it wouldn’t, James, because you deny their Irishness
And now you’re denying that the UVF are British? How strange
The article is about a documentary on the Loughinisland massacre.
With almost 25,000 british troops patrolling that tiny little part of this country at the time are you trying to tell me that “illegal loyalist terrorists” were able to carry out this or any attack without the prior knowledge of those at the very top of the military? if you are, you’re pissing against the wind. The highest number of casualties in any one day during the conflict was the Dublin and Monaghan bombings, educate yourself on who and how these were carried out, if you still insist on calling them “illegal loyalist terrorists” well then as Ron White once said, ‘You cant fix stupid’
would it be fair for me to say every IRA or INLA massacre was an Irish terrorist attack?”
Yes it would, but never in the name of the Irish people, nor were they sponsored by Dublin, Unlike the British terror squads, whom i must add had no support from the British public, but were supported by Westminster.
While I have no doubt that Jamesy will vehemently deny it, the UVF targeted civilians to a much greater extent than the IRA. While the IRA was killing British soldiers and police officers, the UVF were killing Catholics civilians.
Why did the UVF consistently choose to target Catholics for purely sectarian reasons?
The republicans murdered innocent Protestants so I assume the loyalists reacted by murdering innocent Catholics, that was the sectarian nature of the conflict.
The years before this massacre the republicans had carried out the Shankill bombing and the Teebane massacre and the loyalists retaliated with Greysteel and Sean Grahams massacres. It was the same kind of tit for tat nonsense that was in effect in the 70′s.
Its all well and good blaming loyalists and the security forces for colluding, dont forget to mention the Irish state funding the PIRA and its security forces then colluding with them too. Why is that being swept under the carpet?
And in 1994 there were no 25, 000 British troops here, there were about 10, 000 and they had every level of the IRA infiltrated too as well as the loyalists, look at Scappaticci and Donaldson as examples. Why didnt they stop every IRA operation? I’ll tell you why and the intelligence folk who worked here will tell you also, no matter how good your intel is or how on the ball you think you are you just dont stop every attack every time, thats the way it goes.
Brendan Hughes said that by the time the 94 ceasefires came around about 80% of IRA operations were compromised, to the security forces that would be considered a victory. The British were also content that they had the conflict down to “an acceptable level of violence” since the 1980′s.
325 years and still under siege eh Jamesie? Your whataboutery argument is a joke. Educate yourself outside the box.
I see that you’re as intransigent as ever, Jamesy. That’s some fine whataboutery though.
It’s well established that the IRA did not generally target civilians. Even the most damning report into IRA killings only places the percentage of civilian deaths at between 20 and 30%. Only around 8% of those killings are considered sectarian in nature.
Of the UVF’s targets, approximately 85% were Catholic civilians, the majority killed in sectarian attacks.
The IRA would murder soldiers or police officers and, in response, the UVF would massacre civilians. That’s the kind of ‘tit for tat’ killings that were going on.
The IRA did target civilians. Why the revisionism?
Did I claim that they didn’t? I clearly cited that 20-30% of their victims were civilian, 8% targeted for sectarian reasons. How much clearer do I have to make it for you?
Civilians were not their main target though. That would have been agents of the British state, such as soldiers or police officers. Soldiers alone made up roughly 55% of their victims.
The UVF, however, almost exclusively targeted civilians, and for purely sectarian reasons. While the IRA and British security forces were fighting a protracted conflict, the UVF were acting as a sectarian death squad.
So, Jamesy, why do you think the UVF acted in such a way? What do you think was their reasoning for massacring civilians solely for being catholic?
They massacred Catholic civilians because the republicans massacred Protestant civilians. Both were murderous bstards. How clear do you want me to be?
The only side making efforts to save life were the security forces, they paid the highest price too for doing so.
Do you not see the difference between 30% (max, the actual figure is likely closer to 20%) and 85% (a commonly accepted figure)? The UVF existed solely to massacre civilians. The IRA, whatever else one can say about them, mostly targeted security forces. Even the most staunch critics of the IRA only claim 8% of their killings to be sectarian in nature. Contrast that to the vast majority of UVF killings with a sectarian motive.
As much as you would like to muddy the waters and claim that all sides were the same, it just isn’t true.
You overlook the volume of killings though, the IRA murdered about 1800 while the UVF murdered about 450. That renders your % as less significant.
Im not a spokesperson for the UVF by the way nor do I want to be. You seem to be a defender of the IRA, are you a supporter?
I am not go away
No, it doesn’t.
I’m not defending the IRA. I would hardly call their targeting of security forces murder if I was. I’m just dealing with the reality of the situation. The IRA did not target civilians in the same way that the UVF did. If you have a problem with that factual statement, your problem is with reality.
The republicans did target civilians in exactly the same way though and as frequently.
And you talk of security forces like it was ok to kill them, the people in the RUC and UDR who were killed had family too, they also had family members who took revenge (wrongly in my opinion but im not one of the bereaved) through loyalist paramilitaries. The republicans killed these people in the most callous fashion too when many of them were off duty.
Jamesy, I have repeatedly called the killing of security forces murder. Does that sound like . You really are slow on the uptake.
Ridiculous comment, that the IRA targeted civilians as frequently as
Jamesy, I have repeatedly called the killing of security forces murder. Does that sound like I’m condoning it? You really are slow on the uptake.
Ridiculous comment, that the IRA targeted civilians as frequently as the UVF. Once again, 85% to 20/30%. That’s clearly not the same frequency.
Disregard my previous comment. Hit submit early by mistake.
The total number though allied with the % suggests that it was the same frequency.
1800 kills to 450 kills. Do rough maths.
Ira very very rarely chose civilians. Shankill butchers was yes but that was a unique situation.
Jamesy boy you lost that one – badly!!
White fang how can you say the IRA did not target civilians . On the 21 of July 1971 26 car bombs went off in belfast city Center killing 11 people and 120 injure . There are ex Provo s walking around today disgusted by there actions and what they have done . It became known as bloody Friday . A pregnant female police officer was kill in Bangor . The ira s reaction to it . We got two for the price of one .
Them 25000 troops were patrolling the time of the kingsmills massacre to !
What about kingsmills , eniskellen and the like whitefang
No it wasnt
Immature
Get goosebumps just reading about that horrible night.. was only 12 when this happened but still remember me mum and dads reaction after it… I hope some day the families get the closure they deserve!
While the Northern Troubles threw up many many bad days – this was a very dark one – a real tragedy.
30 for 30 brilliant series and thanks for taking this story to a global audience
Excellent article, may those dark days never return to our small island again. I remember that day with such joy , only for it to be replaced with sorrow. Shot dead by sectarian bigots for following their team!! Madness.
Why?
Why what, exactly?
Nice article, but they didn’t die for “the love of the sport” They were in the wrong place at the wrong time, murdered by religious bigots, they did not sacrifice their lives for football.
To be fair, I don’t think I ever suggested that in the article – it’s only if you interpret the headline in a very particular way without reading any of the text below that you can come to that conclusion. They died because they so happened to like sport and were in the wrong place at the wrong time, and that’s what both the headline and the piece in general are outlining.
They weren’t in “the wrong place at the wrong time” I’m sure all in the bar watching the match intended to be there, they were murdered by coward who laughed all the way back to the getaway car……..
Why did you delete my reply Paul, to the best of my knowledge I didn’t break any of The Journals guidelines. Are we not allowed to criticize an article on The Journal? Now I am left with so many unanswered questions. Did my intelligent retort upset you? Did it confuse you? Do you agree or disagree with my reply. If someone is murdered in their own house, cooking dinner, would you have titled the subsequent article They died for their love of the food”
You’re perfectly entitled to criticise articles Helena, but please abide by our comments policy while doing so (http://www.thejournal.ie/comments-policy/).
Furthermore, your food analogy is inept. As the article makes clear, it wasn’t a complete coincidence that the murderers killed followers of the Irish soccer team — they undoubtedly knew the pub would be full of football fans when they planned the murders.
You’re retort wasn’t as intelligent as you might think, Helena. As Paul pointed out, that food analogy was silly.
I never knew it was the author of the article that moderated the comments.
I never knew it was the author of the article that moderated the comments
Great article paul , I was only 13 and football mad when it happened , couldn’t understand it then , still can’t understand it now . Cowardly and barbaric act .
Paul how can the journal do nothing about jamsey b pickart p lyons he is destroying the journal with his trolling can anything be done
Michael, I would urge you and others to please report any comments you read that fail to abide by the comments policy referenced above.
Provided they do break the rules, we will delete them promptly once they’re reported.
I remember being in my hotel room in New York and seeing this come on the news, it was a real low point and lead to many New Yorkers changing their questions about what was this soccer tournament about to asking us what is was like coming from a country with a war going on!
“at the time, the attitude was that if you couldn’t get an IRA man you should shoot a Taig, he’s your last resort”.
Gusty Spence
And to think there are still those who believe armed struggle is a viable way forward.
Never again.
Those that think it today are criminals who just call their trade union republicanism
this is about british state sponsored murder, not bout the ira.
And yet even in the face of unjustifiable slaughter of innocents, small minded bigots from both sides will bicker in this comment section about who was right and wrong.
The people who did the shooting were wrong
Loyalist siege mentality basterds, yet it’s only the cause of republicanism that sullied by media the world over. My friends in Slovakia could go on and on about the IRA yet hadn’t a notion about the UVF or British army and the god knows how many other Loyalist forces that spilled more civilian blood during the troubles.
It seems I can’t say I’m an Irish republican anywhere in the world without people assuming I’m an extremist, while a self confessed Loyalist would be considered unblemished and “enlightened” . It frustrates me.
Ar dheis Dé go raibh a n-anam
Its a pity about you isnt it.
It makes me angry. Justice shouldn’t be one sided and neither should the media.
Justice did go both ways, over 7000 loyalists were locked up during the troubles. Thats a fairly significant number of people from that movement incarcerated, definitely for a movement that supposedly escaped justice.
Sadly about 3000 of the 3500 murders during the conflict were unsolved so a lot of people on both sides escaped justice, hence the formation of the HET.
You actually make a great point and not too far from the truth , it’s like everyone in the world knows of 9/11 but never heard of USA drone attacks on civilians killing women & children . Media controls what the world will hear , only few of us step outside the bubble and realise the real truth , media came up with sky sports and X factor to keep everyone in this bubble .. Having said all that , I believe Sinn Fein are taking the right direction , a united Ireland will only be achieved thru peaceful and political ways . The IRA now are nothing more than thugs that control the drug trade in Dublin , not many Irish ppl can see this either.
That the same HET which provided the evidence of systematic and institutionalised collusion between the state and loyalist murder gangs? Something which you have repeatedly denied on this site?
Mitch, I agree with most of what you say, but I would take issue with your last statement regarding the IRA being thugs that control the drug trade in Dublin. Any and all of those criminal organisations are not even the distant cousin of the IRA. They are criminals masquerading as Republicans in order to gain some form of legitimacy. Grand, they have hijacked the name of the IRA, but you could call a duck a giraffe and it will still stay a duck.
A similar attack to that perpetrated at Loughinisland was attempted at nearby Annaclone on the occasion of the World Cup final just a few weeks later.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/publican-averted-ulster-massacre-1414769.html
Thankfully the owner of the pub, John Loy, had wisely locked his pub’s doors at kick-off. Unable to get in, the attacking gunmen opened fire through windows and, while seven customers were injured, nobody was killed.
(My personal interest: my parents rented a house from the Loy family just 100 meters from the Hawthorne Inn when we lived in Annaclone in the mid-60s).
Paddy I don’t support or defend any of the terrorist organisation that existed during the troubles but I think you will find the ira murder more Catholics then the uvf ever did . The murder campaign of the ira resulted in thousands of people dieing and tens of thousands injured . The uvf it was hundreds . Over a million Brit soldiers serve in ulster and everyone of them risk there life’s in a conflict of hate . Many paid with there life’s and many more sacrifice there life’s to save others .
I assume that is in reply to me, I am well aware of the history of Northern Ireland, i was commenting on this story/documentary and the age old argument ‘ your side killed more ‘ is childish at best, all deaths involved were terrible, i does’t escape the FACT that the UVF/UFF/UDA etc were and still are British government sponsored death squads, the best argument i have ever heard in the great debate about the IRA is that if it wasn’t for the British, they simply would have never existed.
These are correct up to 2011 as far as im aware…
loyalist paramilitaries killed 1016 people during the Troubles:
868 Civilians
14 British Security
41 Republican paramilitaries.
93 Loyalist paramilitaries
85.43% of people killed by Loyalists were civilians. 4.7% of the people killed by Loyalists were Republican paramilitaries. That figure includes Republicans who were ex-paramilitaries. Loyalists killed more civilians then anyone during the Troubles.
Republicans accounted for over 60% of the whole death toll and murdered more people than loyalists and security forces put together. They certainly maimed a lot more than that too in bombings, everybody seems to think a victim is somebody who was killed, there were 50, 000 people injured here too many seriously. The Loughinisland massacre killed 6 people, a further 5 were shot too which in my opinion is being seriously injured.
That comment with statistics was in reply to a comment made about how republicans murdered more civilians that anyone else.. it wasnt a ‘loyalists are worse’ comment it was a reply! :-) im well aware of how bad the ira were durong the troubles..
Tommy I think you will find out if you checked that most of the Catholics the Provos killed were poor white English trash who wore the Brit army uniform- The Volunteers with a AK or a remote control switch had not got the time to ask British army members which religion they were- The IRA did not discriminate – they killed them all-
Loyalists always chose civilian targets and nothing else. CATHOLICS. animals with no cause
I think it’s time to move on and stop bickering about who did the most violence and so on. The record of violence and murder in the Provence was atrocious and let’s hope we never live to see it again .
Micheal are u for real . The ira murder more people in n Ireland then any other organisation during the 20 odd yrs during the troubles . They where always the key to bringing the troubles to an end . No other organisation could have brought the troubles to an end . Not the British or any other organisation was capable of ending the blood bath . All you have to do is look at the north today . It’s a completely different place simply because the ira ended there campaign of violence . The loyalists terror organisations could no longer justify there existence . The home service battalions of the British army have been disbanded . The patrol bases pull down . The border no longer manned . The ira made there point back in the 70s or even 80s and the violence should have been brought to an end . Thousands of people would have never have needed to die on all sides but they didn’t . They chose to try to bomb and kill there way into a united Ireland by the use of force . It took 24 yrs for them to realise that the people on both sides of the border where not going to support them or Sinn Fein . If they thought that violence was capable of bringing about a united Ireland then it would be still happening today .
Well the Loyalists started the troubles before the Provos even existed, and they’re still terrorising people today long after the provisionals have decommissioned
The British state was not capable of ending the bloodbath?? Are u for real??
Really? Sinn Fein are about to become the largest power in Irish politics in few wks with Gerry Adams as most popular leader according to polls
16% is nowhere near the largest party!
25% is………………….lol
Tommy you are actually correct. The violence should and could have ended in the 70/80′s, saving hundreds of lives. The IRA had sued for peace then. It was brought down by unionism/loyalist who refused to even contemplate treating the nationalist community as any type of equals. The unionist politicians of dup,oup,took to the streets hand in hand with loyalist paramilitaries to bring these talks down. The British folded due to those threats of deepening conflict. The GFA could have been arrived at Years earlier if this intransigence had not been to the fore from unionist and British quarters.
Come election time – SF lucky to get 10/15% of morons votes !
Whoever did this , I hope they burn in hell , barbaric cowardly act !!
It always comes back to ‘ but but the IRA’. The issue is and always has been with these murders, that british tax payers pay the police and army and these state forces who operate above the law of the same state murdered innocent people. People to this day on RUC pensions and men in suits in Mi5 who go into work each day knowing exactly who killed these people and knew well in advance of their killing. They’re worse than the UVF
Attacks likes these were only done with senior approval. One of the signs of an impending loyalist attack was that the British Army and RUC would withdraw from an area.
I remember visiting cousins from in Armagh, my mother’s people, staunch unionists.
They would warn us about RUC or UDR checkpoints so to avoid them.
What an awful tragedy. Carried out by ciwRds or rather murderers.
Absolutely sickening.
One can only imagine happiness turning to fear and terror and then death.
Mans inhumanity to man.
the UVF and IRA are opposite sides of the same coin and both are too stupid and blinded by hatred to realise this.
The RUC and the UDR played their part in this attack. Like most Loyalist killings the security forces knew when to stay away and knew who not to arrest.
The investigation was compromised in every way possible.
The PSNI has today appealed for any new information to be made public- which it should- but it will not come by the PSNI-
Today Sinn Fein made a public statement saying that the PSNI appeal was a insult to people’s intelligence because the PSNI today is trying to thwart an investigation by the Police Ombudsman into the Loughinisland massacre-do the police think Sinn Fein are going to forget-
If you want to solve this crime ask the local RUC .
Jamesy boy !
Don’t quote false statements from people who are dead.That speaks volume about your mindset etc.Do you accept the fact that you are an irish man albeit a bottom feeder.
Apologize to the people in general and stop this pointless rhetoric better men than you and indeed me have done so
White fang 47000 people where injured by all sides that was point . Attempted murder on thousands more . The ira left 100 s of ieds in public places with no regard to who they kill . Belfast city center was a prime target . The majority of them disarm by security forces . Anyone could have been a victim no matter where u come from , what religion you or what ur believes are .
if brit terrorists weren’t murdering civvies the ira would not have existed.
Micheal u don’t give into violence by a minority of people that chose to Inflict it on the majority . Less then one percent of the population of the north chose to take part in the violence that brought so much misery into people’s lives .
Tens of thousands?
Ah Tommy, you clearly haven’t a clue.
Jamesy, why did the UVF choose to almost exclusively target civilians? Only one side aimed to massacre those with no connection to the conflict, for purely sectarian reasons.
No fang, both sides aimed to massacre those with no connection to the conflict. Get your facts right and I’ll engage you in debate.
jamsie and facts…lmfao
You don’t give into violence from a minority of people. How did the 6 county state ever come into being then??????
Scottish planters !
Donal you don’t even look old enough to have been around during the troubles . You sure your having a going at the right people here . Almost every day the ira where put on our tv screens with another murder . People where outrage at the actions of the ira both north and south of the border . The reputation you have as a republican has been giving to you by the organisation that kill so many people in the most cowardly way . To the majority of people south of the border they where consider to be nothing more then murderers .
I consider murderers murderers as well. What I was venting about was how lightly it seems murderers in the name of Loyalism have gotten off in media, particularly abroad. It made me angry to learn of this gloss over while I was in Slovakia, Czech Republic and Hungary recently. They also had never heard of the British armys conduct or of state security forces collusion with Loyalist paramilitaries. They were missing morr than half the story. I asked them if they had even hearf of it on the news and they all said no. They’re intelligent with keen interest in news and politics around the world but were very misinformed. I could only think their media was being highly selective or biased. It makes you wonder what’s really going on in places of conflict like the middle east and africa.
James I agree with a lot of what u say . The problem with a lot of people on here is that they cannot defend a organisation that murder men women and children so they chose to try and drag everybody else down to the same level as the murderers they try to defend . It’s the only way they can justify there actions .
Anyone no when can we watch this or when is it on here
Terrible